wyverns...

[Pottu]

its really funny how 1 plane can ruin whole br bracket for any other bombers between 3.0 and 5.0 and its not just the plane its also the players using it by having no respect for the age old "pick a base" rule that been longer in the game that the plane itself not to even talk about the mind numming abilities of the wyvern it self like its ability to out run and out gun anything on its br and only reason people say its balanced and most likely the reason its at so low br is that idiots try to turnfight in it

[Shad1902]

same with the Ju-288

On the other hand, I always go to 4.0 when i need to kill strike aircraft and 6.0 when i need to kill bombers (rank III tasks).

Most wyvern players have below average skill, because they never learned to do anything else than flying straight, and thus are easy to down with the appropriate plane (Do-335 and VB.10C-1 can catch them).

So personally I'm pretty glad that those planes exists as they're a guaranteed pinata kill for those annoying tasks.

BTW: Vywern should be 5.0

[Sturm-Fuhrer]

This.

[Pottu]

Originally posted by Shad1902:

same with the Ju-288

On the other hand, I always go to 4.0 when i need to kill strike aircraft and 6.0 when i need to kill bombers (rank III tasks).

Most wyvern players have below average skill, because they never learned to do anything else than flying straight, and thus are easy to down with the appropriate plane (Do-335 and VB.10C-1 can catch them).

So personally I'm pretty glad that those planes exists as they're a guaranteed pinata kill for those annoying tasks.

BTW: Vywern should be 5.0

yeah this would be ok for me too but when trying to play a bomber and i spawn in seeing 4 wyvern on my team its just pointless even trying to do anything since they will most likely take all the bases and that only leaves the main base but good luck getting there alive. at that point it has just become a ropeplaying game and my role is free xp

[256_Swerve]

roughly 7/10 aiir RB matches around the Wyvern BR are those with 4 respawning bases, so just go sideways a bit and you'll get a base bomb in

They exist, they do what they do. All you can do is adjust your own approach.

[Pottu]

Originally posted by 256_Swerve:

roughly 7/10 aiir RB matches around the Wyvern BR are those with 4 respawning bases, so just go sideways a bit and you'll get a base bomb in

They exist, they do what they do. All you can do is adjust your own approach.

none of what you said helps since you will just get intercepted anyways

[Lucky_Star_Fan]

Why do people still think pinging a base on the map makes it theirs? If Wyverns are on your team, look where they are going and plan accordingly.

[[6thR.S.] TartanClad]

Originally posted by Lucky_Star_Fan:

Why do people still think pinging a base on the map makes it theirs?

As someone who loves his Wyvern, I disagree with you. The enjoyment of games and sport depends on a certain level of courtesy. Where the rules, or absence of rules, fail the players in general and affect their ability to enjoy the game, it falls to the players themselves to accommodate each other.

When people respect others in pinging a base, then the overall enjoyment of the battle is generally much higher (for me at least) because I know I'm actually 'playing' with other like-minded people. When people maximise their own score at the expense of their team then it's just a bunch of selfish ♥♥♥♥♥ grinding points and no-one's really playing at all (especially the types who deliberately bomb targets at extreme low altitude when they know someone else has already dropped their own ordinance on it).

The pinging system is a rare player-driven moment of teamwork and sportsmanship in a game that actively discourages it by introducing aspects that force players to be selfish (through tasks and boosters). I respect it every time, and I'll happily shoot down anyone who doesn't.

(On a side note, what the game needs is large city-sized bombing targets with lots of health containing multiple 'hard points' such as factories that give extra score. This would reward both fast precision bombers as well as strategic bombers with larger payloads. It would encourage bomber formations and shared targets as well as make heavy bombers actually worth playing.).

[Pottu]

Originally posted by Lucky_Star_Fan:

If Wyverns are on your team, look where they are going and plan accordingly.

so when theres 4 wyverns i might as well j out huh? now that seems like very fun

[256_Swerve]

Originally posted by pottu:

Originally posted by Lucky_Star_Fan:

If Wyverns are on your team, look where they are going and plan accordingly.

so when theres 4 wyverns i might as well j out huh? now that seems like very fun

No, just get better at flying bombers. Other guy is right, many people just fail to plan, fail to adjust and these people are always fodder for fighters. Your defeatist attitude is a you problem, not a Wyvern problem.

[Hotschi48]

Originally posted by 6thR.S. TartanClad:

(On a side note, what the game needs is large city-sized bombing targets with lots of health containing multiple 'hard points' such as factories that give extra score. This would reward both fast precision bombers as well as strategic bombers with larger payloads. It would encourage bomber formations and shared targets as well as make heavy bombers actually worth playing.).

That's a cool idea and I would love to have it in the game! One of the most memorable moments I had in Air RB was flying a B-17 together with another and to provide cover. Even managed to shoot down a fighter attacking the other bomber (a lucky shot by me to be fair).

About Wyverns or strike planes generally and level bombers, I see it from both sides, in a perfect world, the level bombers would go for bases and strikers for ground targets - but we don't live in a perfect world, nor is WT actually promoting teamplay. That's why I also started to ignore the "base-pinging" and either look where the other bombers are going or I ignore them altogether and just do my thing. First come, first serve.

The "base-pinging" is such a abused thing nowadays that it became useless and unreliable, One can spawn in and just ping all of them, who actually checks player names and planes then? This only distracts from setting up your flight path and planning.

Bear in mind that with all those tasks and spading and grinding each and everyone is basically after a different goal...

[Warlock]

it's a very potent plane, yes. You need to avoid them.

IME, 99% of wyvern pilots, when engaging a Bomber, just sit on the tail , so you *should* be able to get a kill, or crit that leads to a kill, at least some % of the time, the total nerf of manual turret aim notwithstanding.

that goes for almost all fighters coming at your Bomber, they never seem to expect to get hit. I am finding that short sprays of varying leads will get results.

many of the wyverns will also dive, so. don't dive your Bomber. Keep an eye out for them and turn the other way while you still have a chance. Choose engaging with Fighters sparingly, when the mission depends on it, or you have some help nearby.

IMO Bombers are all about defensive flying. People cry and moan, especially near the end of the match, but there is NO shame is using the airfield for extra firepower, and you can get some nice kills off even a small hit from your turret before AA finishes them off. I find it very funny that some of these players expect you to just let them swarm and shoot you down and you're a "coward" if you do something intelligent to level the playing field.

If you're going to harass and strafe my Bomber very close to or on the airfield, no I will NOT simply J out. If you let me land I'll consider it and most often do, since the match is usually hopeless at that point.

[Chaoslink]

I mean, my problem with the whole base pinging thing is that many players treat it like law and will get incredibly angry and toxic when you don’t comply. While that can make sense a slight bit because I can understand it being “rude” to ignore… there’s a different problem and reason why I don’t always comply if I know I’m the faster bomber. Not all bases are created equal. Some are more off to the side where it’s safer and less likely that you’ll be intercepted. Others are more clearly the dangerous ones. I’m not going to opt into the higher risk option simply because you were faster than me at pinging the map. Players don’t ping the base to tell others to stay away and let them get it, they ping a base to “secure” the safest route they’ll be more likely to survive. It’s done just as much for selfish reasons as it is cooperation.

[Pottu]

it really saddens me to see that such a huge portion of this game over the years have fallen so low

[Bu3(SW)]

Originally posted by Shad1902:

same with the Ju-288

On the other hand, I always go to 4.0 when i need to kill strike aircraft and 6.0 when i need to kill bombers (rank III tasks).

Most wyvern players have below average skill, because they never learned to do anything else than flying straight, and thus are easy to down with the appropriate plane (Do-335 and VB.10C-1 can catch them).

So personally I'm pretty glad that those planes exists as they're a guaranteed pinata kill for those annoying tasks.

BTW: Vywern should be 5.0

Ju288 was nerfed to the dirt. It had its BR increased so much that it is no where near the fastest to the target anymore and is frequently outrun by nearly every aircraft in the match.

In addition to that bombs do less damage to bases and give less rewards for bombing and the tail gunner accuracy in both manual and in AI mode has been nerfed like 95%

[Bu3(SW)]

Originally posted by pottu:

its really funny how 1 plane can ruin whole br bracket for any other bombers between 3.0 and 5.0 and its not just the plane its also the players using it by having no respect for the age old "pick a base" rule that been longer in the game that the plane itself not to even talk about the mind numming abilities of the wyvern it self like its ability to out run and out gun anything on its br and only reason people say its balanced and most likely the reason its at so low br is that idiots try to turnfight in it

BF109 and IL's are air bullies too. It is not just the Wyverns. Really most bombers have no hope in outclimbing or outrunning anything. Unless you play in a squad and have coordinated escorts bombing is going to be largely a bust and even when successful not worth it because of the nerf to bomb damage and rewards.