Between UK or Germany

[Neki]

Hi, im new in Warthunder. I was seaching info about diferrences between countrys but im confused anyway XD. Im playing now UK, but i dont know if change to Germany (for panzers). Anyone can tell me what of this two countrys is better for a newbie like me? thanks

[Eftwyrd]

Uk tanks are hard mode, you will come out a better player but suffer to get there.

The reason is the uk didn’t develop aphe (armour piercing high explosive) shells, in reality a tank crew tended to run when you started putting holes in their armoured box but in warthunder they fight to the last man so you have to kill them all.

Most nations until you hit high tiers rely on aphe to one shot targets entire crew but with the uk you are going to have to learn to take targets apart systematically, disabling their gun, engine, killing off crew members and keeping them pinned unable to fight back. One shot kills can happen but are a lot more chancy

Germany is one of the three nations most recommended for beginners (the others being Russia and US), the reasons being having the aforementioned aphe on virtually all their tanks, as well as a wider variety of vehicles so you will rarely be without options at a particular battle rating

[Holo]

^^ Eftwyrd is very correct. It also depends on how far you want to go - mid tier and top tier are generally better for Germans, so uhh that leaves UK on the lower side no matter how you look at it. But if you want to stay in World War II, you will most definitely be a better player than many others if you persevere and learn how to play well on such inconvenient tanks.

[Bear]

I play Britain at 10.3 because their tanks feel like tanks. US and Germany's feel like race cars. Eftwyrd is correct, grinding up Britain is hard mode. It's also incredibly rewarding and your Sabot's will punch through that pesky German armor. Key is, you have to learn where to shoot to disable the tank. Then you can dispatch them.

I find Britain frustrating at times but well worth it. My biggest complaint is that the Stormer is an awful SPAA

[Pec]

Originally posted by Bear:

I play Britain at 10.3 because their tanks feel like tanks. US and Germany's feel like race cars. Eftwyrd is correct, grinding up Britain is hard mode. It's also incredibly rewarding and your Sabot's will punch through that pesky German armor. Key is, you have to learn where to shoot to disable the tank. Then you can dispatch them.

I find Britain frustrating at times but well worth it. My biggest complaint is that the Stormer is an awful SPAA

Stormer can be decent if you find a unusual place you can rack up a lot of kills from the non stop ka50 spam and planes(They are use to having absolute air supremacy and wont check for spaa outside spawn + with all other spaa apart from the pantsir having broken missiles they are likely to be very cocky).
Its not like the adats is any good anymore anyway since its missiles are to drunk to hit air targets let alone tanks week-spots.

Give the stormer a second chance you might enjoy it

[Wandering Flare]

I'll second what Eftwyrd said but note something else about why solid shot shells are much worse than APHE - they not only require you to hit only specific parts of the tank (meaning that if you don't kill the gunner, the gun or the breech in your first shot, they can immediately retaliate and kill you with their APHEs instantly), but they also rely heavily on positioning and that is basically luck on whether you will have a chance to hit a tank's weak spot or won't be able to do much of anything to it.

Imagine a situation - you see a tank's front peek out from a corner. With APHE, you can just put one through the front of the tracks and that's that, the HE filler kills the crew. With UK's solid shot, all you can really do is kill the driver or the tank's mobility, to actually kill the tank (outside of repeatedly killing the driver until it's dead) you have to expose yourself to it and its potential teammates.

Being able to eliminate a target and be ready for the next one is a very important parameter and UK tanks are just begging to be killed by that next target before they can even finish the first.

[xCrossFaith]

I main UK, Germany is better in every single way

[MashedPotatoww]

Germany has interesting and diverse vehicles to play with unlike Britain. So you will enjoy Germany a lot more.

[Neki]

Thank you all, specially Eftwyrd for yours answer. you are all very kind ^^ So, probably i will change to Germany following yours advices and fights for the Fuhrer.

[Black_Fox]

Originally posted by root:

Originally posted by Neki:

Hi, im new in Warthunder. I was seaching info about diferrences between countrys but im confused anyway XD. Im playing now UK, but i dont know if change to Germany (for panzers). Anyone can tell me what of this two countrys is better for a newbie like me? thanks

Don't listen to all the comments on here. It does not matter at all what nation you start with, because you do not know any of the nation and will eventually start a tech tree without any bias and without bad habits.

If you like UK, play it. Don't choose your countries by what you read somewhere is good, but based on actual interest in the vehicles and technology.

Whatever choice you make. its the right one.

Not necessarily, especially since the UK only has kinetic ammunition in the beginning and that's painful to use

[MAG]

Germany has some seriously fun and SERIOUSLY cool vehicles. UK has some seriously ugly, uncool, and SERIOUSLY unfun vehicles.

[BEEP!]

UK tanks are harder to play but you'l be a better player when you learn the game plus with the resent economy changes you can actually play them without going bankrupt I find UK tanks to look the best and be a lot more fun than other nations.
Germany though for tanks is by far the best nation at basically every BR there just plague with bad teams I find Germany tanks easy to play at basically any BR but with how they play it'l teach you bad habits.

[Sgt. YippyYap]

I started with UK before as well and struggled
It's fun playing UK when you semi-know what you're doing, it's satisfying

Germany is easier to get into. They get worse armor but much better ammo that can actually kill things properly

plus, UK tanks are incredibly expensive for whatever reason. The economy in this game is absolutely abysmal, so if you don't want to lose money, even when you do somewhat okay, play Germans

But of course, if you just want to get into the game and learn the ropes. Play Russians. The only sole, broken OP faction. They get insane armor, even tho on paper it doesn't look good. Nothing can kill them, And they also get very good ammo, too.
Broken OP faction

[BEEP!]

Originally posted by Sgt. YippyYap:

I started with UK before as well and struggled
It's fun playing UK when you semi-know what you're doing, it's satisfying

Germany is easier to get into. They get worse armor but much better ammo that can actually kill things properly

plus, UK tanks are incredibly expensive for whatever reason. The economy in this game is absolutely abysmal, so if you don't want to lose money, even when you do somewhat okay, play Germans

But of course, if you just want to get into the game and learn the ropes. Play Russians. The only sole, broken OP faction. They get insane armor, even tho on paper it doesn't look good. Nothing can kill them, And they also get very good ammo, too.
Broken OP faction

With the new economy you can actually play UK without going broke it's so nice.

[Pec]

Originally posted by 1080puktra:

Originally posted by Sgt. YippyYap:

I started with UK before as well and struggled
It's fun playing UK when you semi-know what you're doing, it's satisfying

Germany is easier to get into. They get worse armor but much better ammo that can actually kill things properly

plus, UK tanks are incredibly expensive for whatever reason. The economy in this game is absolutely abysmal, so if you don't want to lose money, even when you do somewhat okay, play Germans

But of course, if you just want to get into the game and learn the ropes. Play Russians. The only sole, broken OP faction. They get insane armor, even tho on paper it doesn't look good. Nothing can kill them, And they also get very good ammo, too.
Broken OP faction

With the new economy you can actually play UK without going broke it's so nice.

Defiantly a huge improvement especially when you compare against 4y ago where you couldn't get a ground force vehicle bellow 10k in the 7.3 to 9.0 br range.
Felt like playing a horror game when you try and keep your 17k tank alive with the whole enemy team hunting you