M51 uptier to 6.7 or 7.0

[gcdice]

In my opinion the M51 is way to strong for 6.0 because it has a 105mm gun and 400mm pen. The armour is weak but still only queues up with ww2 tanks which even can pen the Panther or the Tiger 2 frontally.

[[TMC]Gunslinger]

if you hit the perfect spot. other than that they are junk.

[Colonel Jason]

Have you ever played the M51?

[TaxFraudTodd]

dude the m51 has really poor gun handling. Its also just a M4a3 or m4a1 Sherman hull depending on the version you are facing. everything can pen it and it can pen everything else. Like a for real definition of glass cannon.

[Kay]

Ok, so how is being able to pen things in return for being easily killed by everything at or below your BR, poor gun handling, and slightly worse than average mobility overpowered?

[Canadian Guitar]

Average "never played tank X" user

[[TMC]Gunslinger]

Originally posted by Colonel Jason:

Have you ever played the M51?

if this question is for me then yes. If it had a regular shell it would be better but with the heat it has to be a perfect shot or you are dead because one hit anywhere and your a goner. They should be the best shermans in the game but they aren't even close. They look good but thats about it. have you played them? and I mean lately because what was today may not be tomorrow with all the tweaks that gajoob does behind the scenes.

[gcdice]

Originally posted by Colonel Jason:

Have you ever played the M51?

yes

[Colonel Jason]

Originally posted by El Primo:

Originally posted by Colonel Jason:

Have you ever played the M51?

yes

I doubt you have otherwise you would not suggest this nonsense thing.

[Jaes]

Personally, I think it would be fine at 6.3. It's definitely not worth 6.7 or 7.0 though.

[HerrDoktor45]

absolutely incorrect. I have had the M51 for more than a year. It doesn't regularly pen a Tiger II, a Panther, a JS II, or other heavy. The gun handling is poor, and shot placement is a key. If you are getting killed in a heavy by an M51 you are likely getting hit in the side or head on (no angle) and there are Rank I and Rank II tanks that can pen a Tiger II, and JS II from the side.

[HerrDoktor45]

Originally posted by GaijinRuskiHacker:

Originally posted by HerrDoktor45:

absolutely incorrect. I have had the M51 for more than a year. It doesn't regularly pen a Tiger II, a Panther, a JS II, or other heavy. The gun handling is poor, and shot placement is a key. If you are getting killed in a heavy by an M51 you are likely getting hit in the side or head on (no angle) and there are Rank I and Rank II tanks that can pen a Tiger II, and JS II from the side.

The gun handling is awful because heat has wanky mechanic ... its either godlike or just awful

But l agree M51 should be slightly uptiered ,the penetration is just too much , l could argue that its TD and deserve strong shells ... but l like heavy tanks ,and that thing just ignores it

+its israel tech tree ... that shouldnt exist at all ...

It is not the Israel tech tree, it is the Patton and Merkeva family of vehicles tech tree.

[Алко Манипулятор]

Originally posted by El Primo:

In my opinion the M51 is way to strong for 6.0 because it has a 105mm gun and 400mm pen. The armour is weak but still only queues up with ww2 tanks which even can pen the Panther or the Tiger 2 frontally.

Ah, of course. A tech tree that doesn't even have a decent SPAA, needs its "reserve" tank nerfed/uptiered for no reason. Poor mobility, insane gun dispersion factors, no armor whatsoever, non-fin stabilized HEAT rounds. It is mainly good against 5.0-6.0 but can deal with an assortment of targets, who, as a matter of fact, even being the lowest 5.0 BR enemy tanks, can easily nuke M-51 in return. A glass cannon of a tank.

[torindechoza]

not all of wehraboos are german but some are.

[MashedPotatoww]

-Bad mobility
-Probably the wobbliest gun in the game
-No armor
-No reasoble line ups to support

If you don't have the reaction time of a sloth you should win against an m51 literally every single time. It's fine where it is.

Edit; Oh I forgot that it fires early HEAT (most unreliable shell in the game).

[gcdice]

Where is the difference between HEATFS and normal HEAT?