UK planes and HOW to RUIN a great GAME

[Solid Snake]

Hi everyone there;

First of all, I have to say I think this game is awesome. In all senses. But I don't know if I'm the only one thinking like this, but I consider its being ruined by an unbalance issue between countries.

Definitely surviving and killing in War Thunder skies isn't as difficult if you join any country... or if you take UK. With that Spitfire thing, Beaufire and Typhoon as you level up.... its almost impossible for other nations to match a plane which can face them in equal conditions.

Choosing UK in this game it's like choosing Eddie in Tekken 3. You know what I mean.

A good player who takes URSS, as I did cause I love their planes, has it really hard to enjoy the game. I score the first of my team usually so is not a ♥♥♥♥♥♥-player-complaining-thread, but game is anyway ruined for me because when I face a spitfire my plane just CAN'T avoid their rain of fire for more than few secs without ripping apart, I just CAN'T face their other specs that make them easily turn and take your back. No kidding. I consider myself a good player and working with the planes I use I think I do better than expected, but that doesn't make the UK problem dissapear. Game becomes boring, unfair, stressful, when balance doesn't exist and day by day more and more people chooses wisely changing their country to UK. In some plays you can face up and see a cloud of red "Spitfire"-followed nicknames aproaching.

Yes!! that's the only way to enjoy the game. Join the enemy! They have better planes! Using them game becomes much more easy and enjoyable to play! Kill as a hard eyed ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ even if youre a mess with the keyboard. An awesome plane with 992374629643651587230 MGs and 892839678298374987 cannons and 98797843259827098230948xe10 ammo will do it for you. Just relax and join enemy. No aiming needed.

That's the message I'm trying to avoid. In part cause I don't want to upgrade a country from zero level by now, in part cause I love URSS planes and their aesthetics and I don't want to play with other country.

I think the answer isn't changing every player to UK like all are doing. I think the answer is bringing more equal specs to planes between countries in all levels, even if that isn't perfectly historic. It's a game after all, historic ♥♥♥♥ happens: you couldn't see Japan, Axis, Soviet, UK and USA planes working together, for example. And happens in the game. Why not becoming more equal.

Well sorry for my poor english. I just wanted to complain about this. It's ruining the game for me. Each day I experience this is a step closer to uninstalling the game, sadly.

Of course, I'm not saying all UK-planes players are useless players. No! I know there are a lot of extremely hard to kill good players. Don't get me wrong. I'm just talking about the planes.

Regards for everyone and congratulations to developers for this great game. It has its handicaps like this one, but it's still awesome.

And free for god sake!

[Thizzle]

Nah. Although I never had a problem with the brits being OP. Now that I started playing Germany the spits start to get very annoying.

For some reason they are able to (almost) outclimb, outgun, outturn and keep up with any fighter the germans can bring up. Every time I have a spit on my tail I have to hope the enemy pilot makes a mistake.
The only thing I do better than a level 4 spit (with a level 6 bf109) is outroll and outdive them.

I had the best time fighting spits in my zero. For some reason the idiots always tried to outturn me. Funny ♥♥♥♥.

[JoeB]

I understand what you are saying but as a UK player myself, I must say that I consantly get wrecked by enemy energy fighters. They can also get pretty badly messed up by attempting to turnfight with zeroes. Spits are pretty tough but they are FAR from perfect

[76561198113830069]

I think that the beaufighter will no longer have 12.7(will be replaced with 7.7) machineguns but not quite sure which(maybe both on 1.37 update)

[76561198113830069]

I dont think uk planes are op,sure the have great turn time but after using them for sometime (rank 6) in my opinion they are weaker(not heavy fighters) than the other nations in durability.Another thing I noticed is that I am getting the most engine failures on spitfires than any other plane,that also makes it difficult for head-to-head battles since the enemy is gonna be shooting at the engine

[timmd182]

yea OP i think you need to do a couple things 1). Play the game a little bit more youll understand the game better and youll realize every nation has certain strengths and weaknesses in their aircraft. my ranks are us-15 germany-16 russia-16 britain-15 japan-14 and i can tell you that the British fighters are not overpowered in any way. if there is one country that the majority of war thundr players would say is overpowered if any is russian planes. 2) you say you would rather the devs change the planes so there unhistorical and it sems like your suggesting they make all planes balanced? this more than anything would kill the game the point of having all these nations is for variety and you have to learn how to fly each nations planes as they all fly very different and u in turn must fight much differently against each of them. take some time get some more hours under your belt youll see what i mean if you want some tips to help you fight against british planes i can show you some things my in game name is oxy182

[Rosha]

manousos a écrit :

I dont think uk planes are op,sure the have great turn time but after using them for sometime (rank 6) in my opinion they are weaker(not heavy fighters) than the other nations in durability.Another thing I noticed is that I am getting the most engine failures on spitfires than any other plane,that also makes it difficult for head-to-head battles since the enemy is gonna be shooting at the engine

A) A Heavy fighter is defined as a twin engine fighter (sometimes with a gunner) that made up for menuverability by long range and/or heavy firepower. This is why the P-38 is designated as a Heavy fighter. The Germans a one point considered the BF-110 as an offensive fighter and the BF-109 as a defensive fighter (intercepter). The concept was considered faulty and the planes were transfered/modified for different roles. Many were made night fighters or photo reconnasence, This is what happened to the Beaufighter many were turned into nightfighter (even used by US as such) and torpedo bombers. The Mk X was designed solely as a torpedo plane. The Australian Mk 21 was both a torpedo/ground support plane.(it did have 12.7 mgs.)

B) Early Spitfires used a carburetor not fuel injection which results in sporatic 'stuttering' durning maneuvers. Several other planes do the same including the Russian Yaks. If anything Gaijin has either nerfed these effects or the 'instructor' minimizes.

[Deez tings]

OP is insane. Russian planes are almost like using cheats because of their manuverability and big cannons and good armor. In real life, they had serious technical issues with engines and cannons that would hinder them from performing to the max.

[BrigadierBill]

The main reason the British are so good is because a lot of the early aircraft in this game aren't all that effective, and the British get somewhat favorable tiering due to the fact they don't have many non-premium aircraft at low-levels. They have 2 fighters and 2 light bombers tier 2-3, whereas Germany has 6 fighters and 2 dive bombers; it just so happens that those 6 German/Italian fighters are crap and the 2 British fighters are good. However, you can't really raise the tier for hurricanes too much or they'll be too slow and vulnerable against other fighters (they may still be effective, but no more than any aircraft that is fortunate enough to be well-positioned).

By level 6 Britain has 2 hurricanes, 3 spitfires, 2 beaufighters, blenheim/beaufort, and a bunch of premiums; for people who are playing F2P, they can't touch the large assortment of premium fighters and bombers and are still flying hurricanes in higher tier matches. Britain also begins to perform poorly as you level up past 6, as too many of their aircraft depend on .30 cals; the 30 cal may be deadly in lower tiers, but at tier 7 you start seeing a lot more armored aircraft and they start to become useless without sticking to someone's tail for a long time. The only way to fix Britain is either to release some crap fighters to replace the somewhat OP fighters they get early and push them up a tier or 2, or otherwise to fix some of the lower tier factions.

The longer you play this game the sooner you will realize none of the factions in Arcade are really balanced... the Russians and British are great in low tiers, while the US and Germany vary from mediocre to awful. As you level up, the US gets its short moment of glory tiers 5-9 before they slip back into mediocrity while the Germans steadily become more powerful until climaxing at tier 10, and remaining effective for a while after (haven't played higher than level 15). Britain and Russia suffer tiers 6-7 but are effective again in tiers 8-9.

Britain starts to suffer due to a lack of effective fighters with nose cannons, since 109's, 190's, La-5's, Yak-3's, etc can all tear through them with very dangerous centrally-mounted cannons; I've found at times that I get as better performances out of the Beau VIc than I do out of the Spit Vc or the Typhoon Mk 1B since it happens to simply have better-placed weapons. The effectiveness of spitfires in turning fights doesn't matter too much in higher tier matches because it starts becoming critical simply who can climb the fastest, and typically the losers of climbing fights are the British and Japanese turning fighters.

[BrigadierBill]

Tomwyr a écrit :

Germany : Bf110, He 112 B0 and B1, Ju87 D5 (and the first Bf109, though the level 6 one is uite better) arre all great aircraft. I even like the italian ones, very agile, though they lack a bit armament.

I even like the italian ones... o.0 have you been sniffing glue?

Maybe I've just done it wrong, but I think I like every fighter in the game more than the G.50's or the MC 200's; the only Italian fighter I liked was the MC 202. Their 50 cals don't reach effective firing range until below 600m's away; they're shorter ranged than 30 cals! And they only get 2 of their slow-firing mg's that like to jam all the time. At the same tier you see the Ishak with buzzsaws, the LaGG-3's with 20mm cannons, hurricanes with 8-12 mg's, and the Americans are even better since their fighters have normal 50 cals rather than what may easily have been the worst .50 caliber MG of the second world war...

I should also add that my experience with the G.50 and the MC 200 is that they struggle to maneuver compared to a lot of the other aircraft, and they also have a serious problem with the nose dropping during low-altitude turns.

Historically the Breda-Safat .50 Caliber had low-propellent rounds (so low velocity), the high-explosive charges were ineffective, and had a low rate of fire. I'd personally feel better strapping 2 M249's to my fighter and just going with .22 caliber mgs instead of those things... :S

[Spud Bencer]

Brit planes lack firepower in the low and mid tiers. No chance to down anything substantial with those puny 7.7 mm guns. That improves a bit from tier 10 on, but still, the 20 mm guns sport a tiny amount of rounds. Same goes for the ♥♥♥♥: Versatile planes with guns that suck. Up to the tier 11 "Hien". Just compare them with the US kites and their 12.7 mm guns or let alone the Jerry 20mm and 30 mm cannons.
Just my 2 cents...

[Geek In Peace]

UK one day, UK for ever !

[DOG OF WAR]

The country getting the short end of the stick is germany. Me-109 should be tier 3 The Me 262 should be the first jet. All thier heavy fighters should have bomb loads. The heavy fighters mostly were for night fighting easy to set up as day fighters would be mostly blind and bombing targets would be visable only to radar aircraft. I.e. more night missions. The endless canon pilot knock outs should be rare with high rewards as people were wounded also and in bombers thier was also a co pilot, The Ace gunners should be upgraded they rarely kill the hordes of Aircobra's which really were peice's of crap that the us mostly sent to ussr becuase the tended to spin out of control and were in genral a piece of crap, not a uber plane!

[DOG OF WAR]

PS great game needs work or more arcade modes that are not so COD of the sky. I.e. certain planes with canons uber when they were pieces of crap. So all planes have time and place just not fighter canon crates and pilot knock out LOL!

[Real Goblin]

The Spitfire is called so for a reason. 8 MGs going at once will definately make some things overheat and eventually jam. Not to mention burning through ammo. All you have to do is wait out their ammo stache and then they're just rabbits waiting to be shot dead in the face.

[Bunks]

It is pretty bad considering most of the worst planes in WWII are the best in this game.