T-10A Needs a lower BR

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I remember getting this tank for a Battle Pass reward and being so excited. It is actually a really great tank. However it is put in a BR it has no business in and this has still not been fixed. So I will make my case again.

This tank has great armor but not at 7.7 up to 8.7. This tank does not have HEATFS or APFSDS, it is slow does not have night vision for the gunner, has a low power to weight ratio and while it has thick sloped armor that armor is useless in a BR where thick sloped armor doesn't mean much anymore.

If this were brought down to 6.7 there are still tanks that would give it a run for its money even in a down tier. There is not a single country that would not be able to have a counter to this tank even in a down tier to 5.7 (except Israel because they have no 5.7 lol).

[Alopen]

Heats FS ruined a lot of meta tanks at the 6.7 - 7.7 BR. The top tier German lineup especially is plagued by being forced to deal with early post war tanks that many dabble in Heat FS which completely outclass a WW2 armour scheme. IRL this happened as well at that time frame where armour schemes simply had no answers for heat rounds and HESH. German Leo 1 tanks didn’t even bother with armour because of this.

The problems is Heat FS armed vehicles lacking armour running circles around heavily armed WW2 tanks while penning the majority of their shots even from the front. Ala Heat FS armed paper tanks like the PT-76 dont belong in battles with Panthers.

Sorry this is nore of a rant than actual contribution.

[♠Gamer3106♠]

6.7 would be too low, I believe that 7.0 would be suited for it

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Originally posted by ♠Gamer3106♠:

6.7 would be too low, I believe that 7.0 would be suited for it

Explain why you feel 6.7 would be too low. It would perform much like Jadgtiger (6.7) and has very comparable stats as far as pen and armor and speed. The only substantial difference is reload speed and even that is not too far off.

[Khergit Horse Archer]

Originally posted by Abinadi:

Originally posted by ♠Gamer3106♠:

6.7 would be too low, I believe that 7.0 would be suited for it

Explain why you feel 6.7 would be too low. It would perform much like Jadgtiger (6.7) and has very comparable stats as far as pen and armor and speed. The only substantial difference is reload speed and even that is not too far off.

one is a casemate the other has a turret, you should probably compare it to the american heavies t29/t30/t34 imo

[♠Gamer3106♠]

Originally posted by Abinadi:

Originally posted by ♠Gamer3106♠:

6.7 would be too low, I believe that 7.0 would be suited for it

Explain why you feel 6.7 would be too low. It would perform much like Jadgtiger (6.7) and has very comparable stats as far as pen and armor and speed. The only substantial difference is reload speed and even that is not too far off.

The jagtiger doesn't have a turret or a .50 cal machine gun.
I don't remember right now, but I assume the Jag has better reload too because it has more space and crew.

The turret is a huge advantage which is worth a 0.3 BR increase in my opinion

[Tom]

Originally posted by Abinadi:

Originally posted by ♠Gamer3106♠:

6.7 would be too low, I believe that 7.0 would be suited for it

Explain why you feel 6.7 would be too low. It would perform much like Jadgtiger (6.7) and has very comparable stats as far as pen and armor and speed. The only substantial difference is reload speed and even that is not too far off.

The jagdtiger Is way less mobile and doesn't havé a turret

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No I stand by my comparison. I never said it was exact and yes it has a turret. It is still very comparable. I mean if we were to split hairs the jagdtiger also has a few more degrees depression.

Regardless I made my stance so if you disagree paint a picture and explain why you think it does not belong at 6.7. it is perfectly countered there even when down tiered. Every single country has vehicles capable of killing it with relative ease. There are plenty of vehicles faster, more armored and with better guns.

[♠Gamer3106♠]

Originally posted by Abinadi:

No I stand by my comparison. I never said it was exact and yes it has a turret. It is still very comparable. I mean if we were to split hairs the jagdtiger also has a few more degrees depression.

Regardless I made my stance so if you disagree paint a picture and explain why you think it does not belong at 6.7. it is perfectly countered there even when down tiered. Every single country has vehicles capable of killing it with relative ease. There are plenty of vehicles faster, more armored and with better guns.

.....we literally just explained why it shouldn't be 6.7....

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Originally posted by ♠Gamer3106♠:

Originally posted by Abinadi:

No I stand by my comparison. I never said it was exact and yes it has a turret. It is still very comparable. I mean if we were to split hairs the jagdtiger also has a few more degrees depression.

Regardless I made my stance so if you disagree paint a picture and explain why you think it does not belong at 6.7. it is perfectly countered there even when down tiered. Every single country has vehicles capable of killing it with relative ease. There are plenty of vehicles faster, more armored and with better guns.

.....we literally just explained why it shouldn't be 6.7....

By saying it was not comparable but it is absolutely comparable and not just to the jagdtiger but most vehicles in 6.7. It literally does not excel in a single stat over the rest of the vehicles in 6.7

From The German Tree alone you see how similar it is in practice to these two:
Tiger II H 6.7
Panther G (5.7)

I added turreted examples for you since you think it was that big a deal.

[Khergit Horse Archer]

Originally posted by Abinadi:

Originally posted by ♠Gamer3106♠:

.....we literally just explained why it shouldn't be 6.7....

By saying it was not comparable but it is absolutely comparable and not just to the jagdtiger but most vehicles in 6.7. It literally does not excel in a single stat over the rest of the vehicles in 6.7

well one thing most guys will forget is that your tank repairs for 1.4k SL while the jagdtiger and other super heavies repair for much more, and in this case, 9.4k SL.

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Originally posted by Khergit Horse Archer:

Originally posted by Abinadi:

By saying it was not comparable but it is absolutely comparable and not just to the jagdtiger but most vehicles in 6.7. It literally does not excel in a single stat over the rest of the vehicles in 6.7

well one thing most guys will forget is that your tank repairs for 1.4k SL while the jagdtiger and other super heavies repair for much more, and in this case, 9.4k SL.

This is a valid point except that comparing it to medium and heavy tanks like tiger II H and Panther G and bearing in mind that it is a premium I think it levels out.

You are right though that repair cost is a big difference between jagdtiger and T-10A. It is far more comparable to premium tigers I guess.

[Khergit Horse Archer]

Originally posted by Abinadi:

Originally posted by Khergit Horse Archer:

well one thing most guys will forget is that your tank repairs for 1.4k SL while the jagdtiger and other super heavies repair for much more, and in this case, 9.4k SL.

This is a valid point except that comparing it to medium and heavy tanks like tiger II H and Panther G and bearing in mind that it is a premium I think it levels out.

You are right though that repair cost is a big difference between jagdtiger and T-10A. It is far more comparable to premium tigers I guess.

if you compare it to the premium tiger, it's still a quarter times higher horsepower/ton and more effective armor without any downside though

i'd say 7.0 is fair and 6.7 is stretching it

[Bu3(SW)]

Originally posted by Khergit Horse Archer:

Originally posted by Abinadi:

This is a valid point except that comparing it to medium and heavy tanks like tiger II H and Panther G and bearing in mind that it is a premium I think it levels out.

You are right though that repair cost is a big difference between jagdtiger and T-10A. It is far more comparable to premium tigers I guess.

if you compare it to the premium tiger, it's still a quarter times higher horsepower/ton and more effective armor without any downside though

i'd say 7.0 is fair and 6.7 is stretching it

The premium tiger has more pen and far more effective armor since it can angle without presenting major vulnerabilities.

[Khergit Horse Archer]

Originally posted by Abinadi:

Originally posted by Khergit Horse Archer:

if you compare it to the premium tiger, it's still a quarter times higher horsepower/ton and more effective armor without any downside though

i'd say 7.0 is fair and 6.7 is stretching it

The premium tiger has more pen and far more effective armor since it can angle without presenting major vulnerabilities.

bro the t-10a has a bloody circular turret, sure the tiger has more pen, but if it doesn't aim for your turret shot trap, can it even pen you in the front?

your armor is way more effective idk how you are trying to downplay this.

[oulala]

wow, if you put the T10 at 6.7, where do you think IS3 belongs?