What would you say is the most painful ground force vehicle?

[Pec]

I wouldnt say it was the type 60 atgm as while awful it can be a fun challenge likewise with the removed french reserves.

While subjective im curious

[Swag Messiah]

Originally posted by GB:

I wouldnt say it was the type 60 atgm as while awful it can be a fun challenge likewise with the removed french reserves.

While subjective im curious

Just pick any tank in the british tree. There is literally nothing worse. APDS with horrible spall, every nerf made to benefit Russia hurts britain, leopard mantlet is invulnerable to everything you have, etc.

Japan after 5.0 is a very close second with the sole exception of the Ho-Ri.

[Tom]

FCM 36 or the H34

[The Uncleanest One]

Italian M36B1, C13 T90 and every Ariete. The M36 had to go from 6.7 without HEAT to 5.7 with HEAT, and even then it's mediocre at best. The C13 T90 is 6,7, extremely big, extremely slow, has no armour, no stabilizer and only has access to a sh*tty HEAT that's worse than the M36B1 one. The Arietes are bad because they are relatively slow, have Leopard reload, have no armour, meaning that they are basically a gimped Leopard and if you're spotted you're dead.
A part from those, anything that has to play with APCR.

[Chaoslord 87]

All french rank 1´s with the stubby 37mm and the Italian M11/39.

[Wandering Flare]

French reserves, a direct hit from one of those will more often than not result in a yellow crew member and a retaliation one-way ticket back to your hangar.

[Cop Unit 12]

Originally posted by The Uncleanest One:

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A part from those, anything that has to play with APCR.

There are a few ground vehicles that have Pre nerf APCR rounds. There still bad but not worthless.

[mogami_99]

anything I am driving

[𝒞𝒶𝓈𝓊𝒶𝓁 Sinner]

For me this is gonna be a controversial take. But the British tort.

It's.. supposed to be similar to the Doom Turt, but it isn't. Feels slower, it's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ tall as hell and a massive target, and I feel like it has some pretty big weak spots. I also do not like the gun.

[Eftwyrd]

Anything French but that’s just me

Of the vehicles I have actually played (us, German, Russian, uk, Italian, Japanese, Swedish) it’s some of the earlier British tanks that stick in my mind, the archer in particular I hold a grudge against because I love that gun and it gets it at an absurdly low br but for all the reasons I feel like I should like it I just can’t bring myself to, it just offends me

[Silverbird]

Originally posted by The Uncleanest One:

Italian M36B1, C13 T90 and every Ariete. The M36 had to go from 6.7 without HEAT to 5.7 with HEAT, and even then it's mediocre at best. The C13 T90 is 6,7, extremely big, extremely slow, has no armour, no stabilizer and only has access to a sh*tty HEAT that's worse than the M36B1 one. The Arietes are bad because they are relatively slow, have Leopard reload, have no armour, meaning that they are basically a gimped Leopard and if you're spotted you're dead.
A part from those, anything that has to play with APCR.

M36B1 gets good APHE (apcbc) rounds that oneshot anything it faces though?
It's open top so it dies constantly to aircraft but otherwise it's a functional glass cannon TD that acutally has a usable (enough) turret.

Also, I don't mind the c13 t90 either, it's alright. I still take it over the previous AUBL/74 because the added armor, while not enough to stop shells, will actually keep people from killing your entire crew with 50cals (be it from planes, or vehicles).
It's definitely not "good" by any stretch, but c13 t90 is my "learn how to play a light tank" vehicle--use smoke, rely on smoke, fire support only (which is suppose to be your job anyways, you're not suppose to be oneshotting everyone on the map from a flank like you can with a m18 hellcat at 4.7)

[shipdesignerdude]

M42 back when it was 5.3. Now it's 4.3.

[Chaoslord 87]

Originally posted by shipdesignerdude:

M42 back when it was 5.3. Now it's 4.3.

And still bad for it´s intended role.

[Bu3(SW)]

M2A1,L3/33, T114, unmodified I could pick a lot of vehicles but the C2A1 unmodified is my pick.

The entire french tree rank 1 through rank 4 with like 3 exceptions.

PBV301 This should be awesome but it just is not. It sucks at SPAA and can seem to pen 99% of all vehicles it faces. Some will say it is meant to fight light vehicles. Ok fair enough but compared to other 20mm light vehicles it cant perform, The M2A1 has a similar problem but if you get close enough it can work the PBV301 in most cases can not.

[Shyue Chou]

The initial stock British MBTs were agonising to play as they can barely move out of the starting points before the T-72s and also 8 x 8s were swamping over.

The rank 1 French tanks cannot climb a gentle slope, I remember sliding down a fair number.

The Churchills were difficult too, battles are often over before it could get to anywhere of importance.

The Chinese Type 62 and Type 63 were not competitive.