War Thunder

War Thunder

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Raider May 11, 2023 @ 10:43pm
Do not buy the MiG-21 SPS-K!
50 percent off, 10.0 BR premium MiG, seems like a steal to blaze through German aviation tree!

No.

Wtf? Choosing between main cannon and counter measures? Only getting 2 medicore AAMs? Poor acceleration? (Will get raped hard in uptiers, but is actually quite fun in a downtier) Kek. Probably my worst purchase. I don't know if the Lazur will go on sale but this feels like a scam.
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same as J-8B shines like sun against down tiers sucks ass against uppers... why dont they just yeet mig-29 and f-16 to 13-14 br so they can cuck each other all day long without bullying other jets with inferior technologies...
Akagi May 11, 2023 @ 11:05pm 
Welcone to top tier air where everything is horribly compressed
The Hate Machine May 12, 2023 @ 12:18am 
I have Mig-21 SPS.... DON'T buy it... it's totally a scam
Not a scam, but it requires some knowledge and awareness to play well.

I have it, played more than enough games with it. In uptiers it struggles. Anyone who bought it thinking "Oh its a premium, therefore it's an "I win" button!!1111" would need to understand that only really applied to a few aircraft that were initially badly placed and stomped (namely A-10A, Su-25, Su-11, Ju-288.)

Then there is the issue with the MiG-21PFM missing a ridiculous amount of thrust in game. This also affects this plane since they're both PFMs. This has been an issue for years.

In downtiers, it does alright. Until 2 or 3 weeks ago, it used to get to see 9.3-10.3 matches almost constantly. It used to be one could get away with not carrying countermeasures until the A-10 showed up. Once all aspect showed up, carrying flares was a good idea.

I'd call it the polar opposite of the F-5C, in which its advantages are canceled out with its disadvantages.

R-60s will always struggle, as will its all aspect variant the later MiGs get. But Id say they're still good against most of what they see.

I can say in the state we had had in the last few weeks, where it starts seeing 10.7 and 11.0s more now, it strangely prepares folks for the current 11.0 experience where you face off against F-16s and MiG-29s in an uptier quite often. Most outings where the team doesn't destroy themselves I find I can easily net 1-3 kills in a match. The key is to sort of play it as the North Vietnamese used their PFMs which was to engage in hit and run attacks, and be selective in who you engaged. Don't even bother engaging in a dogfight, else an AV-8A or A-10 will magically materialize 1.25km from you and delete you with their missiles (assuming you didnt bring the SPS-141 pod with you). Also don't launch missiles at the first thing you see unless you know they get no flares or you're certain they're hyperfocused or totally off guard. I do expect with changes going on in game to armament in regard to the current balancing, it should get APU-60-2 racks for it, thus allowing it to carry 4x R-60 or possibly R-60MKs.

Once you understand what you're doing, and you're not in a hard uptier, it can do okay. But I would not expect any ace games in them. 1-2 is normal? 3 is good, and 4 means you finally got the braindead opponent.
Last edited by Futuristic Hexagon; May 12, 2023 @ 7:36am
Wandering Flare May 12, 2023 @ 7:50am 
"Choosing between main cannon and counter measures?"

Haven't looked at the plane before but as an AJ37 user I felt that.
shipdesignerdude May 12, 2023 @ 8:50am 
Personally I found it to be a pretty solid aircraft, but I'm saying that having bought the SPS-K after getting top tier elsewhere.

Just need some decent game sense and a general idea of when to engage/not engage.

These days it follows a pretty similar playstyle to the Harriers, you fly high and pick off people who don't pay attention. Except you dogfight pretty well in the late game.
Kentuckybandit May 12, 2023 @ 5:26pm 
Its a great plane, one of my favorite purchases. Mind you I bought it on 50% discount when it was eagles. Burn to the ceiling, dive on your enemies, climb away. It can be even more devastating in AB, where your low ammo and missile count don't matter.
LtCdr T'Lyn May 12, 2023 @ 5:29pm 
Originally posted by yee yee a$$ kat:
same as J-8B shines like sun against down tiers sucks ass against uppers... why dont they just yeet mig-29 and f-16 to 13-14 br so they can cuck each other all day long without bullying other jets with inferior technologies...
It's war thunder. What do you expect? *winks*
Last edited by LtCdr T'Lyn; May 12, 2023 @ 5:31pm
Orion May 15, 2023 @ 4:31pm 
Nah I feel you. Its a really nasty plane. I mean a 9.3 Plane with a 9.3 engine at 10.0. Not even 11.0 BR missiles since the 10.3 German plane gets double the number of R-60s with a better engine and can get both guns and CM. and the SU-25K ofc gets guns, CM, R-60*MK*s, etc.

I definitely think that it verges on the level of scam, but I'm not entirely sure whether or not that is because of the insane F-5C, A-10A, SU-25K spam since they are terribly under-BRd. Honestly it suffers like the rest of the German Air tree above 7.0 to intense power-creep.

BnZ w/Missiles doesn't really matter when all of your enemies have flares but you don't. F-5Cs can flare your missiles (since they will chase farts on the ground anyways), then out-turn you and gun you down. And then can also catch up with you because they have better acceleration and similar top speed. A-10s can get cheeky kills on you with the all-aspect AIM-9Ls with similar G-pull on the missile and 4x the explosive mass of your R-60s.

Just an over-BR'd plane fighting under-BR'd planes.
Raider May 15, 2023 @ 10:15pm 
Originally posted by Orion:
Nah I feel you. Its a really nasty plane. I mean a 9.3 Plane with a 9.3 engine at 10.0. Not even 11.0 BR missiles since the 10.3 German plane gets double the number of R-60s with a better engine and can get both guns and CM. and the SU-25K ofc gets guns, CM, R-60*MK*s, etc.

I definitely think that it verges on the level of scam, but I'm not entirely sure whether or not that is because of the insane F-5C, A-10A, SU-25K spam since they are terribly under-BRd. Honestly it suffers like the rest of the German Air tree above 7.0 to intense power-creep.

BnZ w/Missiles doesn't really matter when all of your enemies have flares but you don't. F-5Cs can flare your missiles (since they will chase farts on the ground anyways), then out-turn you and gun you down. And then can also catch up with you because they have better acceleration and similar top speed. A-10s can get cheeky kills on you with the all-aspect AIM-9Ls with similar G-pull on the missile and 4x the explosive mass of your R-60s.

Just an over-BR'd plane fighting under-BR'd planes.
The only good games I had with that plane were on Downtier Arcade battles, where both engine power and low ammo count are compensated.
onion May 16, 2023 @ 4:20pm 
Skill issue?
shipdesignerdude May 16, 2023 @ 6:09pm 
Originally posted by Addison's gay lover:
Skill issue?
To a degree yes.

It takes some learning to understand the correct playstyle and adhere to it.

But I'd be lying if I said the MiG is as good as it was a year ago in the matchmaker.
shemba May 18, 2023 @ 9:39pm 
LOL... They took it out of the game did u get a refund or?
Illusionyary May 18, 2023 @ 9:41pm 
Originally posted by IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIl:
LOL... They took it out of the game did u get a refund or?
It's just hidden for those who don't have it, nothing is ever removed. Those who own it can still play it freely.
Sull May 19, 2023 @ 1:58am 
If only there was a way to try out a premium before buying it.. I dunno, like a test flight or just some type of window showing the available armament options..
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Date Posted: May 11, 2023 @ 10:43pm
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