T14

[Shyue Chou]

I just got the T14 through the Warbond shop. Four games and four T14 losses later, I have to rethink my approach.

The T14 can't brawl at close range. At 4.7, the gun isn't particularly competitive. It has a stabiliser, yes, I suppose it will have to be played like a standard M4 and not a Jumbo despite being classed as a heavy. Yes, don't get hit but it can't take hits either.

I have encountered it when others played it and they were easy kills.

Any thoughts anyone?

[Khergit Horse Archer]

it is a brawler, shoot barrel shoot tracks and move forward shoot side armor or weak spots. id say its better than a churchill mk7 and i use that regularly, and have 1v1 them in my churchill and all in instance you'd probably do the same in t14

edit: of cuz if u get uptiered then it's not a brawler it becomes a slower medium tonk, then you just use it to flank or just don't use it in an uptier like most heavy tonks

[Chaoslink]

It brawls and it can feel like a heavy, but you still are mostly only going to feel strong in a downtier. The gun works, but it can struggle. Personally, I think it should be a 4.3, but its probably fine overall. I prefer the M4A2 though as the gun performs better and its still well armored enough.

You do have to wiggle the T14 to make it harder to punch through.

[Shyue Chou]

Originally posted by Khergit Horse Archer:

it is a brawler, shoot barrel shoot tracks and move forward shoot side armor or weak spots. id say its better than a churchill mk7 and i use that regularly, and have 1v1 them in my churchill and all in instance you'd probably do the same in t14

edit: of cuz if u get uptiered then it's not a brawler it becomes a slower medium tonk, then you just use it to flank or just don't use it in an uptier like most heavy tonks

Thanks thanks. A brawler. I did try it but maybe I did it badly. I am pretty alright with brawling with T-34s.

I can't get used to the Churchill VII though I did bring it out to brawl, I only ever did well enough with it once in a messy close range brawl where the enemies were blind.

I am now 0/4 with my T14.

[Shyue Chou]

Originally posted by Chaoslink:

It brawls and it can feel like a heavy, but you still are mostly only going to feel strong in a downtier. The gun works, but it can struggle. Personally, I think it should be a 4.3, but its probably fine overall. I prefer the M4A2 though as the gun performs better and its still well armored enough.
You do have to wiggle the T14 to make it harder to punch through.

I will have to rethink my brawling tactics. I did recently bring my Strv 122B+ out to brawl and did well, wasting a fair number of enemies at close range.

[Shyue Chou]

Thanks guys. I changed my approach and was rewarded with 2 kills, 2 assists, 2 captures and no losses. I am thinking as to a line-up for this now. It seems rather lonely at 4.7.

[Chaoslink]

Yeah, it used to get the M4A1 76, but that bumped up. The more you drag it up, the less useful it gets, but there’s not much to drag out with it anymore.

[Shyue Chou]

Originally posted by Chaoslink:

Yeah, it used to get the M4A1 76, but that bumped up. The more you drag it up, the less useful it gets, but there’s not much to drag out with it anymore.

I really don't want to drag it up, I want to remain at 4.7. I guess I will just have to fill it up with lower vehicles. Maybe the M24 then.

[Chaoslink]

Yeah, the M24 works well as it’s pretty BR resistant, nothing about its performance really changes as you bring it up. If I were to make a dedicated T14 lineup right now I think it’d be the T14, M24, M4A2, M42 then a slew of CAS. P-61, P-47, P-51 and probably a B-17 in there for fun. Might swap the P-51 with a Corsair here and there. In full uptiers I’d likely just take out the M24 instead of the T14 and use scouting to get cheap aircraft spawns and spend all match in the sky. That’s with 8 crews though, not everyone runs that many.

[Ansaraina]

chou you playing in rb or ab? the armor works just fine. it some ways its better than the cobra, if your planning to be shot from multiple directions. :- its more forgiving for that. especially with how often people go for side-shots at the flat portions instead of the angled part

[Chaoslink]

Originally posted by Ansaraina:

chou you playing in rb or ab? the armor works just fine. it some ways its better than the cobra, if your planning to be shot from multiple directions. :- its more forgiving for that. especially with how often people go for side-shots at the flat portions instead of the angled part

Its more forgiving from the side, but far less from the front. There are tanks a full BR lower that can punch through the front easy.

[TheSlyfwor]

T14 works like most heavies. A hindrance in an uptier, a total schizo menace in a downtier. Like most heavies, it's in a bad spot because it relies on the matchup.

[Chaoslink]

Originally posted by TheSlyfwor:

T14 works like most heavies. A hindrance in an uptier, a total schizo menace in a downtier. Like most heavies, it's in a bad spot because it relies on the matchup.

I feel like it doesn’t even do that well. There are still plenty of guns it faces in full downtiers that just don’t care that it has armor. I’ve taken it out please of times in downtiers and still felt like an average Sherman. It’s kinda like taking out basically any Churchill, any BR you play everything can just kill you. Heavy tanks rarely feel heavy because they’re always at a BR where everything they face can kill them relatively easily.

[mamitotales]

I highly doubt t14s armor is lackluster in 4.7 when any non cast hull sherman is almost invincible when used properly at that br. Also t14 got nerfed heavily because of seal clubbers abusing level 10s that dont know the turret cheek weakspot so you can blame them.

[Cun Cunnel]

Originally posted by Chaoslink:

Its more forgiving from the side, but far less from the front. There are tanks a full BR lower that can punch through the front easy.

a lot of gun has high pen at 3.7 or lower (spg, panzer4), but tanks like t34/76, M24 get it pretty roughly against a t14. Heavy do not make you immune to shells thankfully, you need to select the tanks you can be shot by or not.

[Chaoslink]

Originally posted by mamitotales:

I highly doubt t14s armor is lackluster in 4.7 when any non cast hull sherman is almost invincible when used properly at that br. Also t14 got nerfed heavily because of seal clubbers abusing level 10s that dont know the turret cheek weakspot so you can blame them.

Just about every Sherman is always offering you a weakspot at any angle depending on the variant, weakspots basically any tank facing them can exploit. The cast hull M4A1 is pretty well known as the side armor wraps to the front. The M4 has front hull imperfections that even reserve tier can punch through, the M4A2 has a turret cheek weakspot I often exploit with higher caliber SPAA and the M4A3 variant shares the lesser slope of the M4A2 making the front armor more easily penetrated, though it’s probably the most difficult to get through. Thankfully the gun on that one isn’t the best unless its the 76 which is horribly placed in BR.

No Sherman is all that hard to take down if you know the variants and their weakspots, though some non-US Shermans can be a little deceptive.