Remove "free kill" planes from Ground Force battles

[Poulsen]

I have played War thunder for quite some time now, and for the most part I enjoy it. Since Gaijin added the discardable planes to ground forces that enjoyment has declined steadily. I'm sick and tired of having 4000 pounds of bombs dropped 3 feet above my tank every single match.

The biggest problem with the planes is the fact that their use is completely without consequence, there is no penalty for pommeling a B-17 and 8 500 pound bombs directly into enemy ground units. it's a free plane, you don't use a respawn or anything and you are bascially awarded a free kill maybe 2 or 3 if your enemies are clumped together enough.

The planes are not an enjoyable addition to the ground force matches, they completely offsets the balance of the game. a "fix" could be matchmaking the air and ground units together, which i believe is already the case for historical battles. This would add consequence and cost to suicide bombing, and it would give AAA something useful to do, I see to many playes using the kugelblitz as an assault tank.

Honestly the thing i would love the most is a gamemode without any air units. There is nothing more stressful and annyoing than sitting in you heavy hearing the whistling of bombs, and knowing than no matter what you're dead. And from the outrage and stressed comments I have seen in many a game, I know that many share this opinion.

[Angryolized]

Thanks for saying this, Lemming. A lot of the people here have no clue how things actually worked in WWII. To expand on what you have said, depending on the particular operation in question, tanks wouldn't even have priority to call in arty. That task was almost always reserved to a forward observer, or the higher echelon of the infantry forces.

Three things that are potentially ruining the game that need to be addressed:

1) The plane nonsense.
2)The arty nonsense.
3)The stupid spawn nonsense.

Has anyone even seen any kind of response from any dev, mod, or whatever about these issues? I watch a lot of WT streams on Twitch and I can atest to the fact that most of the streamers are frustrated with these issues to the point that you are doing the opposite of 'selling your game'.

[Blaaaaadi]

I've made a thread addressing the same thing. Per 10 deaths, on average 6-8 are by enemy planes and only 1-2 by enemy tanks. Which makes it a parody of a tank game.
If not split into two 2 choices: a battle with and without airplanes spawning, it should be at least reduced in frequancy. And bombing spawn points shouldn't be possible, just like you can't order artillery barrage on them.

[Ragnarök]

Agree with just about everyone here. Get rid of planes in ground combat.

[PanamaRed]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Leutnant Otto Von Hitzig:

Początkowo opublikowane przez #BothEyesBlind:

That's the sacrife you make dude, sitting on a point. It's very realistic. Artillary won most battles. You going to cry about everything that kills you? ♥♥♥♥

There is a difference between 'sitting' on a point and 'capturing a point so you don't lose the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ game'.

And don't even bother with that garbage 'but it's realistic' argument. Realism went out the window the moment Russian tanks started fighting along side German tanks without any infantry support to capture magical circles drawn in the dirt.

Hah-ha! Okay, you got me there.

But seriously ... something needs to be done about the planes it totally kills the ground game and will probably do the same to warship combat when it finally is released. And I agree, the spawn points at the start of the game are rediculous ... spread the start points out or something. And while I disagree about eliminating artillary, I understand the points made. Maybe, they can limit the ability to call artillary to scout tanks only and limit the number they get to call throughout the game.

[Ramsay]

I don't like the 'No Penalty' - Kamikaze pilots in Arcade Ground Battles so would like that aspect removed.

In Ground Battles I think it's a valid tactic and something that has to be tolerated (like deliberate ramming/collisions in the Air) but is being overused because there's no cost.

Imagine how bad Acade Air Battles would be if players could deliberately ram without any risk.

[Vandalen]

Początkowo opublikowane przez BloodiDodi:

I've made a thread addressing the same thing. Per 10 deaths, on average 6-8 are by enemy planes and only 1-2 by enemy tanks. Which makes it a parody of a tank game.
If not split into two 2 choices: a battle with and without airplanes spawning, it should be at least reduced in frequancy.

I totally agree with that. After this weekend, i really learned to hate Tac-Bombers. I do not think i am a primary target so many other players must face the same issues. It's just dumb to die constantly on planes.. and in the victory cam, the enemy bomber wracks in the ground because he has nothing else to do with his "empty" plane.
I consider to start in my new Ostwind from the beginning of a battle.

[Bipolar Potter]

I would like it if both sides had a "pool" of planes that you could spend your points on. For instance, each side had 4-5 fighters, 2-3 attack planes, and 1-2 bombers, and when you queued up for an aerial duel, your planes would feed out of that pool. Now if you planes arent shot down, they rejoin that pool. Furthermore, you would get some respawns into that pool, but very slowly. That way if some chuckleheads waste the planes right off the bat, nobody gets to play with the cool toys. And i wouldnt be that hard to do, as you see npc planes flying around at the far edges of the battlefield sometimes.

Artillery just needs to go back to the oneshot per tank it had.

As far as the spawning.... wtf even happened? I stopped playing for 4 months, and now you only get 3 tanks in freaking Arcade? Yeah, im real glad i spent money getting 2-3 hangars for each faction, 9 for Americans, and i can't even use half of those in ARCADE mode for tanks? What a ripoff.

[PanamaRed]

Pretty good solution to planes issue, BP. However, I'm still not sold on the idea that artillary fire is a problem. It's important that we keep it the way it is right now because it allows the losing side to stop point camping.

Again, as I suggested before, I would only allow scout tanks to use artillary. Most people prefer the bigger, more heavily armored and armed tanks and so limiting it to scouts only would limit the amount of artillary fire called down.

Besides, artillary call ups are easy to avoid. The game warns you when an artillary strike is called down on you and so as long as you can back up, you have plenty of time to escape the shells and return right back to where you were, fairly unharmed.

P.S. Great tag, Bipolar Potter.

[Casual Sun]

I would enjoy it if they put in more consistent 'good' attacker planes and removed dedicated bombers all together. I mean, it is arcade battle and isn't so realistic, but I feel like it would make more sense and be better for gameplay for more attacker planes to be involved in ground battles, not medium bombers.

[Clyde]

Am really hating the planes in the ground game. Plodding along in a slow Tiger, finally get into the action and BLAM! Death from a low flying bomber or dive bombing Mosquito. No defense, can't maneuver out of the way even if they drop from high enough to hear the bombs falling.

Be a heck of a lot better if there was a game option to play games without planes. It's just ruining games, especially when they bomb the spawn and you're dead 3 sec after entering the game.

And don't get me started on playing games and actually losing money now because repair costs can exceed exceed winnings, especially if you use up your three allowed tanks.

[Neomech]

I have to agree with pretty much all of these points, getting killed by a bomber is probably the most agrevating thing I can exprience. It just makes me want to turn my pc off and never touch the game again. I don't mind attack planes killing me that much nor arty because I can back out of the area when it come up with the warning but bombers definately need to be removed from arcade battles or at least split it down to 2 game types, one without planes and one with because I know some people love the planes on arcade mode.

[razberrie]

what is the point of playing a warfare game if there is no chance of getting killed in action ?



I rather enjoy the chance of dying without having any pre-emptive preparation.

it's what makes this game intersting IMO.

my vote is I love the planes.....and telling myself before each round " I may die today ...."

[Foxtrot39]

Crash non-critical damaged airplane into the ground : apply same penality as TK without the ban/kick

[razberrie]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Foxtrot39:

Crash non-critical damaged airplane into the ground : apply same penality as TK without the ban/kick

this could easily get out of control

penalize people who just didnt pull up in time ?
penalize people who primarily play tanks, but jump in the planes periodically to keep things fresh but arent the best pilot or god forbid, a newb pilot?
penalize those who misjudged the distance of the ground while concentrating on the target ?
penalize players who may experience ping jumps or lag which results in a crash ?

the list could go on and on ......

would be impossible to determine "intent " ?

[gamingnut21]

Początkowo opublikowane przez PanamaRed:

Yah, the planes ruin it. I don't mine being taken out by a dive bomber, but I'm getting tired of having planes crash down on my head. They never destroy my tank and so I don't know what the point is.

acctually bombers can
i did it in a b25j