Never played a game that was as much pay to win as this

[Klaus Schwab]

You don't "buy" the best planes, so it comes across that it's not actually pay to win. However if you don't buy golden eagles you can not convert XP.

The game is just a hugeeee grind if you don't buy lions, research just takes forever and aquiring new planes is just a chore.

People think pay 2 win means buying the best items/vehicles. However these people don't understand that also applying a huge XP lock enforcing a massive grind when not paying is just as bad as any other pay 2 win model.

Unless you get 10 kills per match, you'll be in the never ending grind.

I've got 200k convertable XP, however I'm not buying $100 worth of golden lions just to proceed with the game. The model is terrible

INB4 Fanboys

[xSOSxHawkens]

lol


You need to chill

Having played a few TRUE pay to win f2p games I can say this is NOT one.



Does it had a ridiculous grind for free players that SHOULD be reduced? Yes

Is it still manageable on a free (or in my case mostly free) acount? YES

I have ground out fully maxed T4 bomber lines on America and Japan, with T3 on Russia and I am about 1 plane away from researching my cambera.

I put in anywhere between 5-25 hrs a week, and mostly am a free player, unless I know for a fact that I will spend 5+ hrs in game on one day, where I will purchase a sinlge day of Premium to maximise the long game time.


Premium only doubles the reward, AKA, it halfs the grind. But aside from making the grind twice as long for a Free player, it doesnt do crap.



And FORGET about convertible RP, its a money grab and not worth the time. You need the experiance from the grind anyway, and I am not talking aobout XP, im talking actualy flight time.



And before you try and call me a fanboy, anyone on these forums can attest, I am polite, but not pleased with Gaijin in the least, and have NO problem voicing it.

[SilentHorizon]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Agent Puppy:

What are "golden lions"?

Golden eagles are the games premium (buy only) currency.

[Redtail666]

If players see game time as that much of a grind, then are they enjoying it at all? If not, maybe people need to find less painful ways of wasting time. lol

[Tankfriend]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Umadbrah:

You don't "buy" the best planes, so it comes across that it's not actually pay to win. However if you don't buy golden eagles you can not convert XP.

The game is just a hugeeee grind if you don't buy lions, research just takes forever and aquiring new planes is just a chore.

People think pay 2 win means buying the best items/vehicles. However these people don't understand that also applying a huge XP lock enforcing a massive grind when not paying is just as bad as any other pay 2 win model.

Unless you get 10 kills per match, you'll be in the never ending grind.

I've got 200k convertable XP, however I'm not buying $100 worth of golden lions just to proceed with the game. The model is terrible

INB4 Fanboys

I'm not a fanboy, but I'll say it, anyway: What you're critizing as pay2win here just isn't. It makes the grinds faster, but all that does is make the game more comfortable. It doesn't actually help you winning, and it doesn't give you any unfair advantages over non-paying players, either, because they can get what you can buy, even if it takes them longer. Or if there's something they can't get without buying it for real, it at least isn't giving the buying players any clear unfair advantages.

When you can see paying-exclusive content that puts the paying players at a clear advantage over non-paying players, you can complain about pay2win.

[Jero]

Dont feed the trolls. Its not pay to win. Grinding has nothing to do with pay to win. Go play that other game that shall not be named. Now that is pay to win.

[Tankfriend]

If you mean World of Tanks, then no, it's not pay2win, either.
The premium ammunition everyone always comes up with when talking about pay2win in WoT is available to everyone for in-game currency, and paying real money currency is only an alternative.
So everyone can try spamming it, if they want to. But not many people actually do, because it's extremely expensive and *not* a magical "no skill I Win!" button. If you have no clue about the game, then even that ammunition won't help you win a lot more. On the other hand, you'll always have to foot a massive credit/gold bill at the end of every match that will burn you out quickly, if you spam.

[coffeebrains]

i like the grind ...yes ive payed out ..about $150 in golden eagles soo far ...enjoying it , i only manage to get about 4 kills max a game, i love the aircraft models and the art work of the game , sounds music in game are great , dont see what to compain about.?

[MurderChickenXL]

This game inspired me to come up with the player name _50ShadesOfGrind (Gaujin won't let me start a name with the number 5, so I had to put in the underscore). That being said, the grind is hugely addictive, but I've put hundreds into it to skip a lot of the grind (repair rank, number of gunners being the most expensive I think). I haven't even bothered trying to rank up tank crews, that would require way too much time for me.

But even if I didn't have fully ranked crews I could still have a lot of fun at the lower Battle Rated rounds. Biplanes (which you start out with in this game) are so fun I find myself wanting a game that only involves biplanes, but none that I've seen are executed as well as this game. There's no NEED to grind, let alone P2W, to have fun in this game, until you decide to start playing at the higher tiers. It doesn't cost money to grind, just makes it easier on those of us who don't have the time to put in the effort.

[The Pangaean Gamer]

Pay to win is paying to get an advantage that other, non paying players, do not have. (I.e. Premium ammo. Something that War Thunder doesn't have.) In War Thunder, you can pay to unlock planes/tanks faster, but you aren't getting an advantage over others since, if an aircraft/tank is better it has a higher battle rating. The biggest advantage you're going to get by spending money is earning RP faster, which isn't going to make you kill anyone faster than you otherwise could.

[Der Lachende Mann]

It took me a bit over a year of playing to arrive at jets, I just took my time, unlocking aircrafts one at a time and playing them up to elite before moving on, and never have I used GE to convert XP (I'm floating over 30M convertible XP iirc, with hardly anything left to research). Also, I do have a premium account.

The problem isn't whether it's pay to win, the problem is that you have no patience and want everything 'now'. Just work for it, it'll come in time.

[Redtail666]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Tomwyr:

It took me a bit over a year of playing to arrive at jets, I just took my time, unlocking aircrafts one at a time and playing them up to elite before moving on, and never have I used GE to convert XP (I'm floating over 30M convertible XP iirc, with hardly anything left to research). Also, I do have a premium account.

The problem isn't whether it's pay to win, the problem is that you have no patience and want everything 'now'. Just work for it, it'll come in time.

LOL, When the kids get what they want by throwing a tantrum they just get bored and move on to something else that takes them too long. The patience gene is no longer available as an option in the new generation. :D

[rattlesnake]

I don't buy any aircraft. I just grind through the research until I acheive it. Does it get frustrating at times? Absolutely! But once I get the aircraft I have a feeling of acheivement and enjoy the plane. Hang in there & be patient.

[Ludenburger]

Possibly the only P2W factor in this game is Ace Qualification, and even then its expensive as hell, and only adds +20 to the Expert Qualification's +30

[Kameraden]

Początkowo opublikowane przez AussieGhost789:

Pay to win is paying to get an advantage that other, non paying players, do not have. (I.e. Premium ammo. Something that War Thunder doesn't have.) In War Thunder, you can pay to unlock planes/tanks faster, but you aren't getting an advantage over others since, if an aircraft/tank is better it has a higher battle rating. The biggest advantage you're going to get by spending money is earning RP faster, which isn't going to make you kill anyone faster than you otherwise could.

In a sense you do pay to get an advantage, since you can pay to research all equipmenet on a plane so you don't have to grind to upgrade it, and max out crew skills out right. So you never have to fly a "Gimped" plane for example.

I think that is "Paying" to get an advantage if I've ever seen one.

It's a huge advantage to have a pilot who doesn't black out as easily, or who can spot targets from much farther away, and to have gunners who are more accurate, and more likely to hit planes they're shooting at.

For arcade it's an insanely high advantage because of the spotting system, weapon/bomb reloads, weapon cool down rights, and just about anything you can think of really.

Yes sure. A player can grind to get that kind of stuff, but it will literally take them forever.

So in short, it's very Pay to Win in a lot of context. It's just done in a way that it can "Easily" be claimed, "not" pay to win while also being "Pay to Win" at the same time. It's like manipulating a law so it can mean two different things.

[xSOSxHawkens]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Kameraden:

In a sense you do pay to get an advantage, since you can pay to research all equipmenet on a plane so you don't have to grind to upgrade it, and max out crew skills out right.

I think that is "Paying" to get an advantage if I've ever seen one. It's a huge advantage to have a pilot who doesn't blank out as easily, or who can spot targets from much farther away, and to have gunners who are more accurate, and more likely to hit planes they're shooting at. For arcade it's an insanely high advantage because of the spotting system, weapon/bomb reloads, weapon cool down rights, and just about anything you can think of really.

Yes sure. A player can grind to get that kind of stuff, but it will literally take them forever.

So in short, it's very Pay to Win in a lot of context.

all this from someone with how much time grinding?...


For what its worth, I disagree with you, and I have done the grinding myself so I actualy have some perspective on it.

My B17G slot has a fully ground 9-gunner crew, my 24D has a fully ground 8 gunner crew, my G5 fully ground, my G8 fully ground, my B25-j30 on RUS fully ground.


I only spent GE on two slots, my two american slots, and only to get the original 4 gunners for the PBY lines, and I did it with FREE GOLD from the training missions, so still FREE GRIND.

BTW, not only are the crew's fully qualified through grinding (minus "ACE" on some) but ALL the listed bombers are Spaded with max upgrades, again I got those through FREE GRIND.





A decent player can rack up 1,000RP per game AND 70 crew points per game, all on a free acount.

For the 1100 crew points for a high level gunner it take 10-18 games to grind. And entire 9 gunner crew can be ground out for free in under a month.

Sapding a T4 plane, is again about a month. Both can be done at the same time, herego its about a 1 month grind to get a newly purchased pane upgraded, and get over 1k crew points added as seen fit.





Once you have actualy ground out a 8 or 9 crew slot fully without premium let me know, then you can tell me "how bad" the grind is. Untill then you are whining to someone who has BEEN THERE, DONE THAT, and though it was tedious, it was NOT unbearable, nor Pay2Win.