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KodiakUltimate has War Thunder

Jun 3, 2015 @ 3:35pm

panther D turret traverse rate BS!

why did the turret traverse of the panther D suddenly drop from 12 d/s to 6? i saw the launcher download today and now my panther has been nerfed! What is going on? same with the panzer IV J they droped it to 5d/s.

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Sard

Jun 3, 2015 @ 3:37pm

To save resources, the V D and IV J lost their turret drive.

Last edited by Sard; Jun 3, 2015 @ 3:38pm

KodiakUltimate has War Thunder

Jun 3, 2015 @ 3:46pm

i understand that the nerf is "realistic" but changeing a gameplay element that much in a stealth update is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, no wonder people think they hate germans when stuff like this happens. I would be less mad if they stated that they changed it in a update log.

also they didn't lose their turret drive they were givven less powerfull engines, the engines powered the drives hydrolics

Masterofgaming22 has War Thunder

Jun 3, 2015 @ 3:49pm

ya gaijin forgets to add a lot of things in the patch notes but usually they're small things

Tankfriend has War Thunder

Jun 3, 2015 @ 3:54pm

Originally posted by Sardaukar:
To save resources, the V D and IV J lost their turret drive.

The Ausf. D was the first production batch after the prototypes, and afaik it did have powered hydraulic turret traverse, but it supposedly was very slow, because unlike the traverse on the later A and G, it operated independently of the engine RPM.

As for the J, it did lose its powered traverse. Or, at least, I've never heard otherwise.

Last edited by Tankfriend; Jun 3, 2015 @ 4:00pm

KodiakUltimate has War Thunder

Jun 4, 2015 @ 8:35pm

im not mad at the added realisim, I'm mad that they changed it and didn't bother to mention they changed it. it makes it feel underhanded and it interfeared with my workflow without giving a heads up, my panther D used to be able to compete with a american TD trying to circle me but now it can't turn fast enough, so now i need to get the panther A just to resume my stratagey but that would put me against IS-3's which i've been trying to avoid, like I said i'm mad that there was no warning not that it as changed.

Gekko

Jun 5, 2015 @ 2:36am

Travels you're tank along with the turret, that's what Michael Wittmann would have done and he did get a lot of kills before getting hit...

KodiakUltimate has War Thunder

Jun 5, 2015 @ 7:27am

A american td can beat the traverse rate if its close

Katokevin

Jun 5, 2015 @ 7:53am

Originally posted by Gekko:
Travels you're tank along with the turret, that's what Michael Wittmann would have done and he did get a lot of kills before getting hit...

This. Use the neutral steering and its speed along with traversing the turret and it more then makes up for it.

Originally posted by Tankfriend:
Originally posted by Sardaukar:
To save resources, the V D and IV J lost their turret drive.
The Ausf. D was the first production batch after the prototypes, and afaik it did have powered hydraulic turret traverse, but it supposedly was very slow, because unlike the traverse on the later A and G, it operated independently of the engine RPM.

As for the J, it did lose its powered traverse. Or, at least, I've never heard otherwise.

http://www.panther1944.de/index.php/en/sdkfz-171-pzkpfwg-panther/technik/technischen-veraenderungen

It does say that for the Panthers, If you look under September 1943, the Ausf. A models were equpit with a redesigned turret and new turret drive mechanism and a few other changes. I can only assume that this means that it includes a powered traverse, an upgrade from the Ausf. D.

Edit: After doing a bit more research, the Ausf.D was equipt with a power traverse. Single speed and it took roughly 60 seconds for a full rotation. The Ausf. A and G models were redesigned so they could traverse fully in about 15 seconds. Though they later started governing the engines at a lower rpm reducing the full traverse rate to 18 seconds.

(I never knew that the Germans liked to use foot pedals for there power traverse.)

Last edited by Katokevin; Jun 5, 2015 @ 8:22am

Probably Lime has War Thunder

Jun 5, 2015 @ 9:52am

If they're going for realism, shouldn't trying to neutral steer your Panther result in the transmission bursting into flames or something? I seem to recall they had some kind of problem with it.

Katokevin

Jun 5, 2015 @ 10:08am

Originally posted by WWKDLime:
If they're going for realism, shouldn't trying to neutral steer your Panther result in the transmission bursting into flames or something? I seem to recall they had some kind of problem with it.

The transmissions were prone to breaking quite often. Usualy in reverse. The fuel lines in the A and D models were also of quite bad quality and would sometimes break or leak. They lost a few due to engine fires from this. So if you want realism, your transmission would be breaking if working it to hard and could have random engine fires. Sounds like fun!

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Tankfriend has War Thunder

Jun 5, 2015 @ 10:14am

Originally posted by Luftwaffles:
It does say that for the Panthers, If you look under September 1943, the Ausf. A models were equpit with a redesigned turret and new turret drive mechanism and a few other changes. I can only assume that this means that it includes a powered traverse, an upgrade from the Ausf. D.

Edit: After doing a bit more research, the Ausf.D was equipt with a power traverse. Single speed and it took roughly 60 seconds for a full rotation. The Ausf. A and G models were redesigned so they could traverse fully in about 15 seconds. Though they later started governing the engines at a lower rpm reducing the full traverse rate to 18 seconds.

(I never knew that the Germans liked to use foot pedals for there power traverse.)

That's what I would've pointed out had I been here in time, too. New turret drive mechanism doesn't have to mean that there was none at all, before.
As for the foot pedal - well, everyone has their methods. :)

Originally posted by WWKDLime:
If they're going for realism, shouldn't trying to neutral steer your Panther result in the transmission bursting into flames or something? I seem to recall they had some kind of problem with it.

The final drive was just far too flimsy for the Panther, so it had an extremely low lifespan (~150km driving maximum, I think), and a bad habit of breaking under stress. One of the big improvements that was planned for the Panther (on the historical Panther II project, for example) was to replace the final drive or even the entire transmission of the Panther with that of the Tiger I or Tiger II, which were more expensive and time-consuming to make, but also far more resilient and reliable.

Meanwhile, the fire hazard came from the engine compartment. It was sealed watertight (for fording rivers), badly ventilated/cooled, and also suffered from leaky fuel piping. So what happened was that fuel leaked out of the piping unto the hot engine, and... well, you can imagine the rest.

Last edited by Tankfriend; Jun 5, 2015 @ 10:19am

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