Type 97-Kai Chi-Ha In War Thunder

[Laurelix]

Type 97-Kai Shinhoto Chi-Ha (Tier 2 2.3BR medium tank)
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It is already modelled in game too and it looks dead gorgeous:
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This tank was designed in 1936 and made in 1937. In March 1942 it had it's turret improved to carry the new better and more penetrating gun, the Type 1 47mm anti tank gun instead of 57mm howitzer since Chi-Ha was originally built as infantry support medium tank.
The Chi-He was developed after with a lot better armour and engine and power to weight ratio. It also didn't use rivets. However since they had same firepower, the Japanese preferred the cheaper Type 97-Kai Chi-Ha. Around 170 Chi-He were built and kept in Japan. After Shermans began ariving in pacific theatre the Japanese began making new tanks like Chi-Nu (comparable to T-34-85, more than a match for Sherman), Type 4 Chi-To (as good as Panther) and the Type 5 Chi-Ri (as good as Pershing)
However they were being made in 1944-1945 at which time the Japanese kept all modern tanks back home for last ditch defence. The Type 97-Kai was the most effective tank Japanese had to use in the Pacific. It could do it's job well and many could be manufactured, they still were outnumbered and their gun caliber was incomparable to the 75mm. However the 47mm was by far superior in penetration. The 75mm in Sherman could only do 93mm from 10m. However good enough against a tank with armour to the time line it was built (1936)
Top Speed: 38kph
Weight: 14.8ton
Engine: 170hp
Power to weight ratio: 11.5hp/t

Armour:
Mantlet: 50mm (Mantlet+front turret)
33mm turret front at 0 degrees
25mm at 11 degrees
25mm turret sides at 11 degrees
25mm turret rear at 0 degrees
26mm hull sides at 25 degrees
20mm hull rear at 0 degrees
20mm at 30 degrees on lower hull

Gun: Type 1 47mm anti tank gun

Early war: APHE (830m/s)
67mm from 500m

Mid-Late war: Chromium steel round
75mm penetration from 500m

Late: Nickel Chromium Steel Round
91mm penetration from 500m

[NIKKLE]

Noooooo you stole my grove xD CHI-HA!!! This is what i've been waiting for all these years :'c

[Egro]

I finally have a reason to play tank in Japanese. Still, they wont do very well against the Soviet with that gun...The IJ need naval bombardment, just saying.

[GoreTiger]

Almost all of the ♥♥♥ tanks were ether prototypes, or limited production that never saw combat. so pretty much all tanks abover tier II are gonna ether be prototypes or limited tanks. the ♥♥♥♥ should just not get tanks And this game shouldn't get into WoT's habit of adding OP paper tanks just to fill out a roster.

The ♥♥♥'s time to shine will be in naval anyways.

[Tankfriend]

I don't really mind them, as long as they're not made up. Some papery target practice is nice, any day, anyway.
Which will be their biggest problem. Thanks to their thin armour relative to what they face, their raw firepower won't really give them an advantage at any range, because everyone else can punch through their armour at those ranges, too. :)

[Laurelix]

Medium tanks:

Tier 1:
Type 89 I-Go 1.0 (mass produced)
Type 97 Chi-Ha 1.3 (Mass produced)

Tier 2:
Type 97-Kai Chi-Ha 2.3 (Mass Produced
Type 1 Chi-He 3.0 (Mass Produced)
Type 2 Ho-I 3.3 (Mass produced)

Tier 3:
Type 3 Chi-Nu 4.3 (Mass Produced)
Type 3 Chi-Nu Kai 5.0 (experimental Prototype)
Type 4 Chi-To 5.7 (reached mass production stage just before ended.)

Tier 4:
Type 5 Chi-Ri I 5.7 (1 prototype made before surrender)
Type 5 Chi-Ri II 6.3 (same tank but given the autoloading 75mm gun)
Type 5 Chi-Ri KAI 6.0 (in the end chose the semi autoloader)

Tier 5:
STA-1 6.7 (prototype of type 61)
STA-2 7.0 (further development another prototype was made)
STA-3 7.3 (another improved prototype)
STA-4 7.7(pretty much Type 61 by now but still not to given specification)
Type 61 8.0 (Mass Produced)
Type 61 Kai 8.3 (Mass Produced)
STB-1 9.0 (prototype of type 74, like 900 type 74's get built over years)


Less prototypes them you thought

Japanese won't get tanks that didn't exist. Infact a Germany is worse off. They get tanks like 105mm tiger and them Panther II that didn't exist. There's talk of E-75 too. The Japanese tanks will compete very well at the BR I set for them.

[Laurelix]

Comparing Panther to the Chi-To

Let's start the comparison first with the Panther Tank. We all know that this was the best Medium tank of WW2... Nuff said. So magnificent, so elegant, so professional.

It's downside is... Too professional to the point it's too complex, takes a long time to build or fix.

Panther A (Tier 4 6.0BR)


It's weight: 44.8ton
Engine: 600HP
Power to Weight: 13.4hp/t
55kph max speed

Size:
Height: 2.99m
Width: 3.27m
Length: 6.87 m

Armour:

100mm turret front
100mm mantlet
80mm upper Glaces (120mm effective)
50mm lower Glaces (130mm effective)
Turret sides: 45mm
Hull side 45mm
Rear: 40mm (47mm effective)
Rear turret: 45mm

Gun:
KwK42 75mm
134mm from 500m
(APCBC)
-8 to 20 degrees elevation

Type 4 Chi-To (Potential 5.7BR medium tank)

After the death of Japanese Navy, the priority wasn't planes and ships anymore. The navy priority was replaced by tanks since Japan knew US would start the invasion of their home islands. Type 3 Chi-Nu was developed and was equal to late war Shermans. Japan however wanted more powerful tank. Type 4 Chi-To was designed in 1944 and two prototypes were finished by 1945. Only 4 half completed tanks were made after that, since war ended. (2 finished, 4 unfinished Chi-To's) Japanese industrial power was too weak to produce them fast. But it was a lot easier to mass produce than Panther. It was more simple and it was cheaper.

Weight: 30 Ton
Engine: 412HP
Power to weight: 13.7hp/t
Max Speed: 45kph

Size:
Height: 2.87m
Width: 2.87m
Length: 6.73m

Armour:
90-350mm on mantlet
76mm on turret front
50mm on turret front cheeks (100mm+ effective armour)
75mm on hull (86mm effective armour)
35mm on side hull and turret
25mm at rear
50mm at back of turret

Gun: Type 5 75mm gun
140mm pen from 500 with Senn-ei-dann shell (closest western counter part is APHE)

These 2 tanks are pretty similar in performance. Chi-To was very promising but never for the chance to shine and prove itself. But I can imagen how good it would do if it was mass produced and used outside of Japan. Chi-To did enter mass production but war ended too soon for the Chi-To.

[Laurelix]

Let's start with Panzer Ausf G (Tier 3 4.7BR)


Weight: 25 Ton
Engine: 296HP
Power to Weight Ratio: 11.9hp/t
Max Speed: 38-42kph

Size:
Height: 2.66m
Width: 2.88m
Length: 5.92m

Armour:
Turret Front: 50mm
Hull: 80mm
Sides: 30mm
Rear: 20mm

Gun:
KwK40 75mm
98mm from 500m
(APCBC)
Gun depression: -10 degrees

Type 3 Chi-Nu (Potential 4.3BR tank)
Weight: 18.8ton
Engine: 240hp
Power to weight ratio: 12.8hp/t
Max Speed: 39kph

Size:
Width: 2.41m
Height: 2.68m
Length: 5.64m

Armour:
50mm turret front
50mm hull
35mm turret front cheeks (70mm+ effective armour)
35mm on sided
25mm at rear

Gun: Type 3 75mm gun
120mm from 500m
(AP Chrome)

[Laurelix]

Let's start with the Panzer III Ausf. J1 (Tier 2 3.3BR)

Weight: 23 Ton
Engine: 296HP
Power to Weight: 12.9hp/t
Max Speed: 53kph

Size:
Height: 2.5m
Width: 2.9m
Length: 5.56m

Armour:
50mm turret front
50mm hull
30mm sides
20mm rear

Gun: KwK 39 50mm
87mm from 100m
75mm from 500m
-10 gun depression

Type 1 Chi-He (Potential Tier 2 3.0BR)
Weight: 17 ton
Engine: 240HP
Power to weight ratio: 14.1hp/t
Max Speed: 45kph

Size:
Height: 2.38m
Width: 2.2m
Length: 5.5m

Armour:
50mm on turret front
50mm on hull
35mm on sides
25mm at rear

Gun: Type 1 47mm
121mm from 100m

91mm from 500m
(Tokku Otsu shell) - Nickel Chrome shell.
-15 gun depression

[Egro]

KrayToast님이 먼저 게시:

Almost all of the ♥♥♥ tanks were ether prototypes, or limited production that never saw combat. so pretty much all tanks abover tier II are gonna ether be prototypes or limited tanks. the ♥♥♥♥ should just not get tanks And this game shouldn't get into WoT's habit of adding OP paper tanks just to fill out a roster.

The ♥♥♥'s time to shine will be in naval anyways.

Wut? Where did you get this idea? Since when IJ prototypes are OP, they are all freaking weak just by basing on the Stats on the paper alone. The only 2(or 3) some what "OP" prototypes are the two that base on the German Tiger and the Jagdtiger. Want real combat stats? Use the stats from the German Tiger and Jagdtiger because there are little different between Japanese version and German version. I don't want the O-I, just leave that thing alone.

And No, The IJA(imperial japanese army) had like 18 tank types. A few better tank types were indeed retained for home land defend but they were all working not that Proto bs.

Final word: Do research before you speak/type, it so easy.

[Laurelix]

Iwakuro 95 ton tank did exist but on the day it was being tested, the weather was bad and it got stuck in mud. With such heavy tank being stuck, they left it there.

O-I 100ton did exist (heck right now they are refurbishing it)

O-I 120ton is somewhere in Okinawa, destroyed by B-29 and it's beyond repair

O-I 130ton still exists. It's kept locked away from all public and they will deny it's existence.

[Laurelix]

STB-1 has the 105mm L7A3 ordinance gun that Leo 1a1 has

It had 100mm on hull angled (170mm+ effective)
250-360mm in mantlet which is ricochet paradise
It's got no armour on sides and rear.
53kph max speed, 20hp/t power to weight (roughly)

[Laurelix]

250-600mm on mantlet is what I meant.
Also it can point gun 10 degrees down, it can get itself ed down and obliterate everything

[NIKKLE]

Laurelix님이 먼저 게시:

Iwakuro 95 ton tank did exist but on the day it was being tested, the weather was bad and it got stuck in mud. With such heavy tank being stuck, they left it there.

O-I 100ton did exist (heck right now they are refurbishing it)

O-I 120ton is somewhere in Okinawa, destroyed by B-29 and it's beyond repair

O-I 130ton still exists. It's kept locked away from all public and they will deny it's existence.

Oh gawd i'll literally cry tears of joy if this is all going to be developed for Warthunder :'3

[Egro]

Laurelix님이 먼저 게시:

Iwakuro 95 ton tank did exist but on the day it was being tested, the weather was bad and it got stuck in mud. With such heavy tank being stuck, they left it there.

O-I 100ton did exist (heck right now they are refurbishing it)

O-I 120ton is somewhere in Okinawa, destroyed by B-29 and it's beyond repair

O-I 130ton still exists. It's kept locked away from all public and they will deny it's existence.

There is another one somewhere in China, of course the Chinese gov censored it..

____________
I forgot about the fact that the Chi-To have auto load, ok that is OP...

[Laurelix]

Light tanks:

Tier 1:
Type 97 Te-Ke reserve x3
Type 95 Ha-Go 1.3
Type 95 Ha-Go Kai 1.7

Tier 2:
Type 95 Ha-Go 47mm 2.0
Type 3 Ke-Ri 2.0
Type 98 Ke-Ni 2.0
Type 98 Ke-Ni Otsu 2.3


Tier 3:
Type 2 Ke-To 3.0
Type 5 Ke-Ho 3.3

Tier 4: nothing

Tier 5:
ST-AI 6.7
ST-AI 38t 7.0
ST-AII 7.3


All mass produced except the ST-A's were lighter versions of type 61. They weren't mass produced but were built.