Racism in War Thunder.

[Tiberius]

Guten Tag my friends.

Since I started War Thunder I learnt to know what it means to be hated. Why ? Because everytime I speak/write German in War Thunder, if it is to say hello to a German mate or if it is to wish good luck in German and English " Viel Glueck/ Good luck " I get back things like: ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, Hitler Kaputt, Fu**ing Nazi, Kraut or other words,provocations of this sort. I mean, let's be honest, but wtf is this ? For sure I report this sort of players, but sometimes I feel like admins give a fu** about this sort of report. Especially when I am in a Russian realmpool I get insults like this. I think this can't go on! If somebody says something like " Ni**er " they get a bann straight away and get put down by the community for saying the N word, which is good! Because racism sucks. But if somebody says Nazi or is discriminating a German by greeting him with ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ nothing happens and people just think it is funny. Show some respect seriously!

Just wanted to say it, also want to hear what other Germans experienced and what moderators say about the whole story. I just think it is my right to speak my native language without getting connected to Hitler or this criminal sick regime of Nazis.

[Mr White]

That , my friend is because the people who are tryping that are 6 years old, and all they know about Germany is Hitler. Don't get too upset!

[Ed]

Laitharex eredeti hozzászólása:

TheShaolinMonk eredeti hozzászólása:

Hello there. I am very sorry if members have shown any form of racism or abuse against you due to your nationality. Gaijin strictly forbids all forms of racism and similar actions, and they are punished harshly. Racism is never acceptable.

Please report all instances where people say racist or abusive things. The Game Masters sort through all the reports and, even if it is not straight away, they are dealt with accordingly. For the record, shouting "♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥" is a bannable offence. Just be sure to report it :)

I'm an ardent believer in freedom of speech. Now that I've learned that it's a bannable offence, I'll be sure to not report such things, as being banned for words made in jest violates everything I stand for. The word "heil" is of the old Norse "Heill" meaning whole, later adapted to the modern translation of the word, "Hail". So you ban people for literally saying "Whole Hitler"? At worst, it's simply "Hail" That's rather vapid, no offence.

That is the stupidest thing I have ever read today....


So I guess you are against the freedom of contractual agreements, because players SIGN an agreement (clicking Yes, "I agree to these terms" is a signature) to keep a competative and fun environment, with most people wanting nothing to do with what racists have to say or mean.

What you are doing here is making a completely trivial senario, like what school children love to do, to justify a moment when one should say "♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥." The only people who should say it should be whole-hearted Nazis, as (firstly, we are talking about German, not Danish, Sweedish, or Norwegian) "♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥" means "♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, we thank you and are your humble servants", and most people who play War Thunder want nothing to do with Nazis, and being a Nazi is illegal much throughout Europe, and is deeply shamed in the US and Asia. We come onto the game to shoot down planes and tanks and have fun, not deal with the complex politics of WWII to try and justify the homocide of a leader, or deal with horrific stereotypes of Germans that Americans and Russians tend to like to make. Why I compare what you said to what schoolkids like to do? For example, when people learn to wear seatbelts in a car, the class tend to erupt in stupid questions about impossible movie senarios just to find one to justify not wearing a seatbelt. You are basically trying to explain the most trivial and unlikely senario to justify saying "♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥."

You sign an agreement to keep this ♥♥♥♥ out of the game, you sign an agreement to not say anything racist. I am also pretty sure you signed an agreement to report others who break the contract.

[Ed]

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Holo-Pearl eredeti hozzászólása:

..You sign an agreement to keep this ♥♥♥♥ out of the game..I am also pretty sure you signed an agreement to report others who break the contract.

Jesus... maybe in your wet dream police state but not in terms of use or EULA.

Report to the company, not to the government you walnut.

[Tiberius]

Holo-Pearl eredeti hozzászólása:

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) eredeti hozzászólása:

Jesus... maybe in your wet dream police state but not in terms of use or EULA.

Report to the company, not to the government you walnut.

Ignore him, he is some sort of a troll.

[Jörf]

Freedom of speech?

[lungenfoto]

JohnDoe123 eredeti hozzászólása:

Ignore him, he is some sort of a troll.

Says the guy who starts threads to whine about persecution of German/Germany.

Holo-Pearl eredeti hozzászólása:

Report to the company, not to the government you walnut.

Read them, neither document says users are required to report others to the company.

Two cases of over active imagination.

[newjeans PR manager]

Holo-Pearl eredeti hozzászólása:

Racism is a problem in this game (all WWII games), but what are you going to do about it. People think they are witty by berating someone who utilizes any cultural phenomenon, whether it be speaking a language, what flag you have on your vehicle, your battlecry, etc.

What I hate more is when, and I see it fequently, Russian and Ukrainian players deliberately teamkill each other JUST for being Russian or Ukrainian, or having one of the flags on their vehicle. They completely ignore the courtesy to keep the game as a fun recreational environment, not to mention video games might be one of the most important current ways to keep Ukrainians and Russians as friends, because they make similar theme games.

Now I have to be careful what decal I put on my tank because everybody gets so offended over what flag you have. I would like to, but can't, put the Indian flag because nobody likes getting rekt by an Indian. I mean, seriously, I have the Indian flag on my FV4202 in World of Tanks and people get utterly butthurt over an Indian getting High Caliber and Top Gun while typing in proper English. Not to mention that it can go the other way and someone gets butthurt because I don't laugh at an anti-Muslim joke posted in chat (yes, not responding is apparently not enough anymore). In War Thunder, I got raged at for using the modern German cross instead of the war-time cross because I wasn't paying Nazi Germany "enough respect" (are people seriously offended by me putting the modern cross on a Tiger?), JUST because I wanted to use a symbol of pride.

I just assume any racist in this game, and generally in real life as well, is an idiot not worth talking to, ragardless of who is the victim and who is the perpetrator. I got onto the game to destroy tanks, not to argue race and politics. I only stand by to intimidate anybody considering teamkilling with my Tiger, as people tend to like to get away with team killing.

You live in India? We should play some time.

Yeah, a lot of the time I can't actually state that I live in India as a ton of people get butthurt.

[Foxtrot39]

Why should people get butthurt because you live in india?

[Ed]

Foxtrot39 eredeti hozzászólása:

Why should people get butthurt because you live in india?

I ask that question to myself all the time. The Brasilians and the Russians have it worse.

[Tankfriend]

Foxtrot39 eredeti hozzászólása:

Why should people get butthurt because you live in india?

People get butthurt over all kinds of inconsequential stuff these days...

[Tiberius]

Tankfriend eredeti hozzászólása:

Foxtrot39 eredeti hozzászólása:

Why should people get butthurt because you live in india?

People get butthurt over all kinds of inconsequential stuff these days...

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[Griseus Lupus]

The people who only associate the Germans with Hitler are either children or morons. Germany has a rich cultural heritage with fantastic food, some great beers, livelely folk music, a lot of cheer, and a fascinating language that's very similiar to English in some respects. Not all the Germans were Nazis either. And a lot of Germans were, and are, Jewish. So people really need to think before they spew their vitriol on a people who actively shun Naziism.

[Tiberius]

Griseus Lupus eredeti hozzászólása:

The people who only associate the Germans with Hitler are either children or morons. Germany has a rich cultural heritage with fantastic food, some great beers, livelely folk music, a lot of cheer, and a fascinating language that's very similiar to English in some respects. Not all the Germans were Nazis either. And a lot of Germans were, and are, Jewish. So people really need to think before they spew their vitriol on a people who actively shun Naziism.

This is a pretty old thread, but it's interesting to see people still reading it.

First..you are definitely right ! I guess every culture has it's interesting good side, and also a bad side. I am happy to say that Germany's bad side is in the past now. But some people seem to stick pretty hard to the past, that they still use arguments that are "outdated " in discussions or abuse them as an insult towards modern different people.

I also want to add, the German language has a lot of Jiddish words integrated, there is a city called " Halle an der Saale " which is in east Germany. The slang of this city involves many Jiddish words. Which I always think is pretty interesting, always when I hear people talking Hebrew, I can sometimes filter some words out and know what they mean.

Nobody would think about this today, nobody would ever imagine that Germany's culture is pretty much connected with the Jewish religion and also Jiddish language.

PS: I wrote this thread long ago, I regret writing this thread, because it just shows people who use this whole " nazi blablabla " provocation are still getting along with using their provocations. I and all other Germans should simply ignore this kind of people, they are not worth getting attention. The only thing I enjoy is, seeing people hating Germany, but on the other hand every child would see that they are extremely jealous at not being a German and not being born and raised in Germany, which is a beautiful, safe, clean and modern country, with a very long and great history ( except the part with the nazi-regime for sure ).

[MMOGamer71]

Griseus Lupus eredeti hozzászólása:

The people who only associate the Germans with Hitler are either children or morons. Germany has a rich cultural heritage with fantastic food, some great beers, livelely folk music, a lot of cheer, and a fascinating language that's very similiar to English in some respects. Not all the Germans were Nazis either. And a lot of Germans were, and are, Jewish. So people really need to think before they spew their vitriol on a people who actively shun Naziism.

+1.

[Scowlin]

Racism isn't acceptable ever. It isn't acceptable when you are 'Joking' or when it's just 'Banter'. So I'm 100% on the side of the poster here, and I am often ashamed of what I read and report it myself.

A comment about education in the UK.

Someone was disappointed about how Germany was portrayed by UK educational system, which surprises me as not only did I go through that UK educational system, but I am also (these days at least) a teacher. I think the perception of how it is taught is flawed (and makes me a little sad) but I also know exactly where they are coming from.

This could be for any (or all) of these three reasons;

Often 10th century Europe makes up a large portion of the history taught in UK schools. A lot of this time period is taken up with two World Wars and the rise of communism and fascism. This puts the National Socialist party front and centre. Peace time Germany is mainly focused between the wars, and are all about the reasons for the rise of Hitler to power.

There are whole sections of the effects on the average German throughout the 20th century, how individuals fought against tyranny and took on great acts of heroism in the fact of certain death. however to 14 and 15 year olds (boys at least) this isn't anywhere near as exciting as the Nazi party and war.

But here is the real reason; modern media is full of Nazis. They have been used to make great film, books and games. (Especially the games). The Nazi party will be iconic for long into the future and there is little we can do about it.

My Grandfather taught me a lot about tolerance and forgiving, he served in the Med and the Pacific on Destroyers. He was sunk twice and had some amazing stories about being picked up by a US warship afterwards. Never once did he express anything but respect for those on the other side. He was fighting the Axis powers not the people of those countries.