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N-Trippy 2015 年 5 月 21 日 下午 11:34
German tanks have ruined WT for me.
I'm so damn sick of early German tanks in this game. I sneak up on one, put six rounds in him before he even finds me, dealing damage to every component, and it can just shrug it off and one-shot me every time. Shaped round to the gunner's head? Doesn't matter. One shot. Round through the engine? Too bad, he's coming anyway. And that's when a round even pierces. Insane armor, impossible penetration, perfect spread of fragments... in all the first tier tanks? B-freakin-S. Even their first SPAA eats through an M3 like its toilet paper. Ah... but what about cover!? Nah. A hit to the top of the turret at a 4-degree angle is plenty to ice half of your crew.

Really. I shouldn't need a Tier III tank to deal with Tier I tanks.


Update: I have since acquired the M4A3 and am on pretty even turf with the other tanks. They still have better rounds and OHK me more often than not, but I can at least compete. Thanks to those of you who offered advice. The Krauts don't stand a chance! Peace out!
最後修改者:N-Trippy; 2015 年 5 月 24 日 上午 11:13
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Zipperdog 2015 年 5 月 21 日 下午 11:53 
引用自 Kairos Raider
I'm so damn sick of early German tanks in this game. I sneak up on one, put six rounds in him before he even finds me, dealing damage to every component, and it can just shrug it off and one-shot me every time. Shaped round to the gunner's head? Doesn't matter. One shot. Round through the engine? Too bad, he's coming anyway. And that's when a round even pierces. Insane armor, impossible penetration, perfect spread of fragments... in all the first tier tanks? B-freakin-S. Even their first SPAA eats through an M3 like its toilet paper. Ah... but what about cover!? Nah. A hit to the top of the turret at a 4-degree angle is plenty to ice half of your crew.

Really. I shouldn't need a Tier III tank to deal with Tier I tanks.

Hilarious. Really, quite funny. Because i can actually explain ALL of this to you.
Allow me to explain each problem one at a time.

1. Armour: The Armour on german tanks is thicker than most so naturally they will live longer. This can be effected by armor angling. For example a angled tiger can make IS-2 shots worthless.

2. Components: Shooting a tank in the rear is a gamble in this game. If you hit the engine, chances are you won't damage much else. Another thing to keep in mind, some tanks are just tougher than others and you will have to deal with it.

3. Insta-kill: Yeah hitting a bundle of explosive shells with an explosive shell causes them to explode resulting in a dead tank. Some tanks have better ammo placement than others. I.E Tiger tanks < Sherman 76mm's

4. Crew: All tanks have the ability to do this. This is not a special talent Germans have. At 50 VIT a crewman can survive a 50mm round. The person you saw had be playing the game way longer then you had and upgraded his crew.

5. Ammo: Impossible penetration? Are you real? Have you seen the early german tanks? They have no penetration compared to other nations. Another fact you've yet to realize is that each nations shells are different. German shells have much better spread of fragments than other nations, they have better penetration, and they have less shell drop. All due to how they are designed. Even then this better penetration can be negated, with you guessed it
Armour angling.

6. SPAA: Oh i love my AA actually. For the exact reason you explained. They eat Americans like they are made of toilet paper. German SPAA and other nations SPAA own a special type of ammo called APCR. APCR does NOT explode, it is a soild chunk of metal. Because of this it has much high penetration values. In the case of the Wirblewind 65mm of penetration to be exact.

7. Icing your entire crew: Shrapnel is a wonderful thing is it not? Its almost like its DESIGNED to be lethal. Also this is not just a German thing. Other nations do this too.
Scowlin 2015 年 5 月 21 日 下午 11:59 
I think I'm not odd when I say that; I have never had a problem killing German low tier (or mid) tanks. Pz3 & Pz4 both have very obvious flat surfaces to kill the crew via, and their armour is sub standard on the whole. Stugs can feel tougher but they suffer from the same problems overall and it's easy to get side shots on them.

The first German flakpanzer has an excellent gun on it but is made of tin foil (more so than even other SPAA's) quick burst of MG first should do the trick. They also run out of ammo quickly.
Ishan451 2015 年 5 月 22 日 上午 12:48 
While i will admit that i am preferring to play Germans (I love the idea of a low bodied tank hunter), i have to say that i am preferring to fight german tanks. Since i am not paying for repairs, i am usually playing Allies while i am waiting for my tanks to be repaired, and i love their Tier 1 tanks. They are quick, nimble and penetrate like a boss. With my german tanks, i have to get lucky (well 75% skill 25% luck), with the American Tanks.. its pretty much open season. The problem with those is staying on the move, but when you line up the shot, it penetrates.

German tanks are amazing to deal with, if you have a fast and nimble tank. Just flank them.
N-Trippy 2015 年 5 月 22 日 下午 2:30 
引用自 zipperdog
引用自 Kairos Raider
I'm so damn sick of early German tanks in this game. I sneak up on one, put six rounds in him before he even finds me, dealing damage to every component, and it can just shrug it off and one-shot me every time. Shaped round to the gunner's head? Doesn't matter. One shot. Round through the engine? Too bad, he's coming anyway. And that's when a round even pierces. Insane armor, impossible penetration, perfect spread of fragments... in all the first tier tanks? B-freakin-S. Even their first SPAA eats through an M3 like its toilet paper. Ah... but what about cover!? Nah. A hit to the top of the turret at a 4-degree angle is plenty to ice half of your crew.

Really. I shouldn't need a Tier III tank to deal with Tier I tanks.

Hilarious. Really, quite funny. Because i can actually explain ALL of this to you.
Allow me to explain each problem one at a time.

1. Armour: The Armour on german tanks is thicker than most so naturally they will live longer. This can be effected by armor angling. For example a angled tiger can make IS-2 shots worthless.

2. Components: Shooting a tank in the rear is a gamble in this game. If you hit the engine, chances are you won't damage much else. Another thing to keep in mind, some tanks are just tougher than others and you will have to deal with it.

3. Insta-kill: Yeah hitting a bundle of explosive shells with an explosive shell causes them to explode resulting in a dead tank. Some tanks have better ammo placement than others. I.E Tiger tanks < Sherman 76mm's

4. Crew: All tanks have the ability to do this. This is not a special talent Germans have. At 50 VIT a crewman can survive a 50mm round. The person you saw had be playing the game way longer then you had and upgraded his crew.

5. Ammo: Impossible penetration? Are you real? Have you seen the early german tanks? They have no penetration compared to other nations. Another fact you've yet to realize is that each nations shells are different. German shells have much better spread of fragments than other nations, they have better penetration, and they have less shell drop. All due to how they are designed. Even then this better penetration can be negated, with you guessed it
Armour angling.

6. SPAA: Oh i love my AA actually. For the exact reason you explained. They eat Americans like they are made of toilet paper. German SPAA and other nations SPAA own a special type of ammo called APCR. APCR does NOT explode, it is a soild chunk of metal. Because of this it has much high penetration values. In the case of the Wirblewind 65mm of penetration to be exact.

7. Icing your entire crew: Shrapnel is a wonderful thing is it not? Its almost like its DESIGNED to be lethal. Also this is not just a German thing. Other nations do this too.

No, I know all of this. It's the fact of what is vs. what is not that is getting to me. I'm trying to get more comparable U.S. tanks, but I don't earn many research points when my horrible M2A2 and M2A4 can't compete. Fighting German tanks with U.S. tanks is a horrible grind and is sucking the fun out of it. It's the fact that the tanks are realistic that sucks, because no amount of skill can help. So I either have to deal with it, wait for Gaijin to change something, or just stop playing. Thanks for explaining all of that though. Most people wouldn't go through the effort nor would they put in so much detail.

TL;DR
It's the fact that the game is realistic and acting as it should that is disheartening, as there is nothing I can do to compensate. If nothing is broken, nothing can be fixed. It's unbalanced, but that's how the tanks performed then. Every German vs US skirmish leans towards German tanks.
=37th= minepagan 2015 年 5 月 22 日 下午 2:34 
German tanks started off better. Deal with it.

No, really, just get the M4 105. Problem solved (in arcade)
Derka 2015 年 5 月 22 日 下午 2:53 
then dont play as german ground forces play as the russians or americans
Linnart 2015 年 5 月 22 日 下午 3:40 
hes complaining about germans LOL hes playign as the U.S :sfsmile: this is a new one indeed most of the time the gerrys are the one doing the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ and moaning
For good reasons too.
Zipperdog 2015 年 5 月 22 日 下午 3:49 


引用自 Kairos Raider

No, I know all of this. It's the fact of what is vs. what is not that is getting to me. I'm trying to get more comparable U.S. tanks, but I don't earn many research points when my horrible M2A2 and M2A4 can't compete. Fighting German tanks with U.S. tanks is a horrible grind and is sucking the fun out of it. It's the fact that the tanks are realistic that sucks, because no amount of skill can help. So I either have to deal with it, wait for Gaijin to change something, or just stop playing. Thanks for explaining all of that though. Most people wouldn't go through the effort nor would they put in so much detail.

TL;DR
It's the fact that the game is realistic and acting as it should that is disheartening, as there is nothing I can do to compensate. If nothing is broken, nothing can be fixed. It's unbalanced, but that's how the tanks performed then. Every German vs US skirmish leans towards German tanks.

I feel like you did not read half of what i wrote. You can indeed compensate. Remember the armor angling? Remember aiming? Yeah those are things you can use to compensate for how bad a tank sucks. Another thing to keep in mind is that some tanks are just plain bad. *Looks at marder* Anyway how you play is around 75% of the game. If you are a TD and you charge, you are going to have a bad time. If you are a SPAA and charge you are going to have a bad time. Learn what your tank does and what it is good/bad at. Another thing don't even try to sell me that German tanks are OP. Do you want to know why? When you leave the little kiddie tank pool and play with the real tanks, the opposite is true. From T2+ the Germans get seal clubbed. Don't believe me? Get an M18 and go into RB battles and talk to me again. Then go even higher and you will complain about the Russians as they get COLD WAR tanks. Yeah you heard me COLD WAR.
N-Trippy 2015 年 5 月 22 日 下午 4:49 
引用自 zipperdog
引用自 Kairos Raider

No, I know all of this. It's the fact of what is vs. what is not that is getting to me. I'm trying to get more comparable U.S. tanks, but I don't earn many research points when my horrible M2A2 and M2A4 can't compete. Fighting German tanks with U.S. tanks is a horrible grind and is sucking the fun out of it. It's the fact that the tanks are realistic that sucks, because no amount of skill can help. So I either have to deal with it, wait for Gaijin to change something, or just stop playing. Thanks for explaining all of that though. Most people wouldn't go through the effort nor would they put in so much detail.

TL;DR
It's the fact that the game is realistic and acting as it should that is disheartening, as there is nothing I can do to compensate. If nothing is broken, nothing can be fixed. It's unbalanced, but that's how the tanks performed then. Every German vs US skirmish leans towards German tanks.

I feel like you did not read half of what i wrote. You can indeed compensate. Remember the armor angling? Remember aiming? Yeah those are things you can use to compensate for how bad a tank sucks. Another thing to keep in mind is that some tanks are just plain bad. *Looks at marder* Anyway how you play is around 75% of the game. If you are a TD and you charge, you are going to have a bad time. If you are a SPAA and charge you are going to have a bad time. Learn what your tank does and what it is good/bad at. Another thing don't even try to sell me that German tanks are OP. Do you want to know why? When you leave the little kiddie tank pool and play with the real tanks, the opposite is true. From T2+ the Germans get seal clubbed. Don't believe me? Get an M18 and go into RB battles and talk to me again. Then go even higher and you will complain about the Russians as they get COLD WAR tanks. Yeah you heard me COLD WAR.

I know how to play the game. I know where the weakest segments of armor are on the tank I'm attacking. I angle my tank, use cover and concealment to make myself hard to hit, and aim for the surface that offers me the best chance of penetration. HE, AP, it doesn't matter. 50/50 of deflecting or not doing anything significant. They turn, fire a half-hearted shot, and kill me. No RP to get another tank, so game over. Every time. In ten realistic games, I think I got two kills against ground units and two aircraft using AA. Rushing? I'm not a noob. Everyone knows going gung-ho in a game like this leads to a short game. I avoid open areas and try to get within my tank's most effective range. It doesn't matter. Either they take no damage and OHK me, or while moving they take a guess shot from their spawn and OHK me. It's always an Ausf. IV or V, E, J, or L. Stugs? No prob. It't only the tall ones that are immortal gods of death.

If you don't like my complaints, you can ignore me. I have every right to complain about one sided fights. But don't patronize me. I'm not a child, and I have thus far remained very collected about my complaint. No one asked you to reply and tell me what I already know and do. I;m not a pro at the game, not even remotely close. But I understand the mechanics and how to shoot and avoid being shot as possible.

I'm sure things change as it you get more tanks, but I left MW:O because I don't have 100+ hours to spend grinding for a new unit. I don't play grinders. I play games that give me the tools to succeed and leave it to my skills and judgement to win. WT Realistic Tanks is thus far not such an experience. If I wanted to gamble in a slanted game, I'd go hang out in one of the local Russian night clubs and shoot dice.
Dakota 2015 年 5 月 22 日 下午 5:04 
The low tier German tanks are practically target practice. They, as a whole, are probably the easiest tanks to destroy at low tiers.
Vriz 2015 年 5 月 22 日 下午 5:09 
American tanks are really bad in the early tiers compared to Russia and Germany's. I'd say to stick with it and get the m24 chaffee for a final decision.
N-Trippy 2015 年 5 月 22 日 下午 5:11 
引用自 Vriz
American tanks are really bad in the early tiers compared to Russia and Germany's. I'd say to stick with it and get the m24 chaffee for a final decision.
Thanks. I really appreciate the honest advice. I'll tough it out.

Also, for the record, I run with a squadmate and even he gets iced in U.S. tanks but has no issues when in his Russian tanks.
Dakota 2015 年 5 月 22 日 下午 5:13 
引用自 Vriz
American tanks are really bad in the early tiers compared to Russia and Germany's. I'd say to stick with it and get the m24 chaffee for a final decision.
Playing all three of them I've found the US to have some of the best early tier tanks, Russia is iffy because they have some major drawbacks in some places (absolutely love the ZIS-30 though), and German tanks are easy to pen and just wipe out of the game.
最後修改者:Dakota; 2015 年 5 月 22 日 下午 5:13
N-Trippy 2015 年 5 月 22 日 下午 5:17 
just endure the pain untill you unlock the M10 and M4A1 and you shouldn't be using the M3 just stick to 1.0 till you unlock m4 and m10

I will. Thanks.

引用自 Peppar
Angle your tank and alot of shots will bounce off of you. Try to aim for the horizonal turret drive (just below the turret, just above the body of the tank) and you will at least disable/slow the enemies aim until they repair. If you're lucky it will throw shrapnel into the crew and instakill the tank too

Yeah I do that. It doesn't help. Thanks though.

引用自 Dakota
The low tier German tanks are practically target practice. They, as a whole, are probably the easiest tanks to destroy at low tiers.

引用自 Dakota
引用自 Vriz
American tanks are really bad in the early tiers compared to Russia and Germany's. I'd say to stick with it and get the m24 chaffee for a final decision.
Playing all three of them I've found the US to have some of the best early tier tanks, Russia is iffy because they have some major drawbacks in some places (absolutely love the ZIS-30 though), and German tanks are easy to pen and just wipe out of the game.

I'm not sure if you're full of it or have just been lucky. When I used to play as Russians and Germans I felt it was really even. Tier I U.S. tanks are just terrible. Slow turrets, weak munitions, thin armor. Either way, I can't take what you're saying seriously.
Vriz 2015 年 5 月 22 日 下午 5:17 
引用自 Dakota
引用自 Vriz
American tanks are really bad in the early tiers compared to Russia and Germany's. I'd say to stick with it and get the m24 chaffee for a final decision.
Playing all three of them I've found the US to have some of the best early tier tanks, Russia is iffy because they have some major drawbacks in some places (absolutely love the ZIS-30 though), and German tanks are easy to pen and just wipe out of the game.

Idk, German 50mm absolutely penetrates anything in my experience
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