Why does germany get mig-29?

[WeebLord69]

I want my Iranian F-14 and F-5 in soviet tree then.

[CheckedWriter56]

East Germany, and post-1990 Germany operated the MiG-29 until the early 2000s when they sold them to Poland

[WeebLord69]

Originally posted by CheckedWriter56:

East Germany, and post-1990 Germany operated the MiG-29 until the early 2000s when they sold them to Poland

i just hate facing same planes when im flying a plane, this really sucks. I dont want to face a german mig-29 in my mig-29.

[whatdoesthisbuttondo?]

Originally posted by Weeblord69:

Originally posted by CheckedWriter56:

East Germany, and post-1990 Germany operated the MiG-29 until the early 2000s when they sold them to Poland

i just hate facing same planes when im flying a plane, this really sucks. I dont want to face a german mig-29 in my mig-29.

Well, the plane was operated by the GDR and formally adopted into service in the FRG after the unification, so I guess that's a case of tough luck.

If you want a real reason to complain, there are enough prop planes scattered around the tech trees that were never adopted and only tested once after a damaged unit found on the battlefield was patched up enough to barely fly.

[CyberStonka]

Originally posted by Weeblord69:

I want my Iranian F-14 and F-5 in soviet tree then.

Do you have any valid documentations of F-14 or F-5 being used by Soviet AF?

[𝑅𝒾𝓃]

Originally posted by Weeblord69:

I want my Iranian F-14 and F-5 in soviet tree then.

Last time I checked, Iran wasn't part of the soviet union....

[Rinky]

Originally posted by Weeblord69:

Originally posted by CheckedWriter56:

East Germany, and post-1990 Germany operated the MiG-29 until the early 2000s when they sold them to Poland

i just hate facing same planes when im flying a plane, this really sucks. I dont want to face a german mig-29 in my mig-29.

if you just hate it, than write that you just hate it instead of writing garbage hoping that nobody will correct you

[Shimozukachi]

Originally posted by Weeblord69:

Originally posted by CheckedWriter56:

East Germany, and post-1990 Germany operated the MiG-29 until the early 2000s when they sold them to Poland

i just hate facing same planes when im flying a plane, this really sucks. I dont want to face a german mig-29 in my mig-29.

*stares at east europe*

[Futuristic Hexagon]

Originally posted by CyberStonka:

Originally posted by Weeblord69:

I want my Iranian F-14 and F-5 in soviet tree then.

Do you have any valid documentations of F-14 or F-5 being used by Soviet AF?

They had ex Vietnamese F-5Es they used for evaluation against MiG-21 and MiG-23, and possibly to see if they could be sovietized (the Vietnamese got MiG-21s in exchange iirc). A few other Pact countries (like poland) got them too to see if they couldn't be Sovietized. Not sure if the sovietization process went far, if it did I could imagine at the least a supply of R-13s for them, the Finns found that the rocks for the R-13 and AIM-9E were compatible with one another.

While the MiGs were more technically advanced, the F-5 was better in a dogfight scenario and the test pilots liked the ergonomics. I think the mock dogfight results lead to the MiG-29 and Su-27 being developed to close that gap.

https://warisboring.com/the-soviets-grabbed-an-american-f-5-fighter-from-vietnam/

While the USSR didn't use the F-14A, Iran did apparently did some upgrades cold war to see if some weapons systems couldn't be made compatible with Russian ones. I recall at the very least their F-14As got the availability to use R-73s, rumors too about some others too.

To OP, history is filled with the same planes types facing each other. Winter war and Lapland war, the current situation in Ukraine. You even had spitfire going at each other during the battles that lead to Israel's formation.

[<I^_^]I_1C3Qu33n_X33_I[^_^]>]

Originally posted by CheckedWriter56:

East Germany, and post-1990 Germany operated the MiG-29 until the early 2000s when they sold them to Poland

I wouldn't say "operated", West Germany tested it a few times but they never had it in their arsenal, but the sightly modified MiG-29G from the Bundeswehr/Luftwaffe is not much different from first soviet one, and in addition to that it was a hell lot inferior to the other highly modernized MiG-29s from the russian federation in 2000, i mean let germany have the MiG-29A thats the only one they ever had besides the MiG-29UB trainer. and Russia already recieved a new MiG-29 in 1984 and then 1985 and 1988 and at that point the german one was totally outdated in every aspect possible, so lets be generous dont cry about it, its historical but its not a good MiG-29 in the following years there will be MiG-35 variants i trust gaijin in this, there is no need to be mad or jelly about it.

[Ryo Takagero]

Originally posted by Weeblord69:

Originally posted by CheckedWriter56:

East Germany, and post-1990 Germany operated the MiG-29 until the early 2000s when they sold them to Poland

i just hate facing same planes when im flying a plane, this really sucks. I dont want to face a german mig-29 in my mig-29.

this even happened before the german mig-29 got into the game. How many times i had matches where my nation were on both side. so this is not an argument.

[Akagi]

Originally posted by Weeblord69:

Originally posted by CheckedWriter56:

East Germany, and post-1990 Germany operated the MiG-29 until the early 2000s when they sold them to Poland

i just hate facing same planes when im flying a plane, this really sucks. I dont want to face a german mig-29 in my mig-29.

Meanwhile top tier air with USA on both teams almost every match (not even counting all the other nations' F-16s and Phantoms):

[LunarGatta]

Originally posted by CyberStonka:

Originally posted by Weeblord69:

I want my Iranian F-14 and F-5 in soviet tree then.

Do you have any valid documentations of F-14 or F-5 being used by Soviet AF?

Actually, about the F-5, there was an F-5E tested by soviets after the fall of Saigon, they captured an F-5E, slapped some soviet markings on it and tested it.

https://www.rbth.com/science-and-tech/334716-why-ussr-obtained-american-f-5
https://warisboring.com/the-soviets-grabbed-an-american-f-5-fighter-from-vietnam/
https://theaviationgeekclub.com/soviet-pilot-who-test-flew-captured-f-5-against-mig-21-mig-23-explains-why-the-tiger-beat-the-fishbed-flogger-in-every-engagement/#:~:text=Several%20F-5s%20were%20tested,in%20Soviet%20markings%20for%20testing.

While tech specs are something else entirely, soviets did capture an F-5E and tested it, I have no idea if qualifies as enough to add it to the tree though, either as a premium or just a plane in the tree.

The F-14 however, was never seen by soviets.

[WeebLord69]

Originally posted by CyberStonka:

Originally posted by Weeblord69:

I want my Iranian F-14 and F-5 in soviet tree then.

Do you have any valid documentations of F-14 or F-5 being used by Soviet AF?

https://www.rbth.com/science-and-tech/334716-why-ussr-obtained-american-f-5
https://warisboring.com/the-soviets-grabbed-an-american-f-5-fighter-from-vietnam/
https://theaviationgeekclub.com/soviet-pilot-who-test-flew-captured-f-5-against-mig-21-mig-23-explains-why-the-tiger-beat-the-fishbed-flogger-in-every-engagement/#:~:text=Several%20F-5s%20were%20tested,in%20Soviet%20markings%20for%20testing.
there you go.
thanks to @TheCampingOwl

[CyberStonka]

Originally posted by Futuristic Hexagon:

They had ex Vietnamese F-5Es they used for evaluation against MiG-21 and MiG-23, and possibly to see if they could be sovietized (the Vietnamese got MiG-21s in exchange iirc). A few other Pact countries (like poland) got them too to see if they couldn't be Sovietized.

Premium F-5E for soviets?

[<I^_^]I_1C3Qu33n_X33_I[^_^]>]

Originally posted by CyberStonka:

Originally posted by Futuristic Hexagon:

They had ex Vietnamese F-5Es they used for evaluation against MiG-21 and MiG-23, and possibly to see if they could be sovietized (the Vietnamese got MiG-21s in exchange iirc). A few other Pact countries (like poland) got them too to see if they couldn't be Sovietized.

Premium F-5E for soviets? :squirtooh:

I would prefer a MiG-21-93 as premium.