F104S.ASA RWR

[Mistrini]

FIX THE RWR for this PLANE, ITS NOT WORKING AT ALL.

[DrunkenTee]

Or you just dont know how to make use of it?

[Mistrini]

Originally posted by DrunkenTee:

Or you just dont know how to make use of it?

Do you realized its bugged and its not showing anything at all at RWR radar ? , RWR does only proper sounds, visually entire RWR hud is missing, check 1st before u start talking ♥♥♥♥. thx.

[MaurizioCostanzo]

I mean i play the damm thing and i can tell you the RWR is one of the many thing broken with the plane starting with the radar lock range being 4km max (like how in the hell are you gonna use the damm Aspides with it), the weapon setup being completley wrong with it only being able to carry 2 aim9-L and 2 Aspides with no gun and other minor things. The ASA is the worst top tier jet but it's the only available option so.

[Qonqueror]

Its RWR is broken since release...

[Schublade]

Originally posted by MaurizioCostanzo:

I... the weapon setup being completley wrong with it only being able to carry 2 aim9-L and 2 Aspides with no gun ...

"MM.6701, the first production F-104S built by Aeritalia flew on 30 December 1968." -Wikipedia

You got no gun because AERITALIA did built it without a gun. And what is an Interceptor worth if it got no speed and no range because it's challenging an a-10 with hanging payload. There is not enough wing to hang stuff and still get it in the air.

[MaurizioCostanzo]

Originally posted by Schublade:

Originally posted by MaurizioCostanzo:

I... the weapon setup being completley wrong with it only being able to carry 2 aim9-L and 2 Aspides with no gun ...

"MM.6701, the first production F-104S built by Aeritalia flew on 30 December 1968." -Wikipedia

You got no gun because AERITALIA did built it without a gun. And what is an Interceptor worth if it got no speed and no range because it's challenging an a-10 with hanging payload. There is not enough wing to hang stuff and still get it in the air.

This is wrong the ASA had the m61a1 vulcan built in and it was never removed from the operational versions of the plane, and it had 8 missiles hardpoints, if you would have cared to do a little more searching you would have known that. But this isn't even the point, point is the plane in WT is broken and inaccurate in many ways because reasons uknown other then Gajiin not giving a ♥♥♥♥ about the italian jet line.

[Schublade]

Originally posted by MaurizioCostanzo:

Originally posted by Schublade:

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This is wrong the ASA had the m61a1 vulcan built in and it was never removed from the operational versions of the plane, and it had 8 missiles hardpoints, if you would have cared to do a little more searching you would have known that. But this isn't even the point, point is the plane in WT is broken and inaccurate in many ways because reasons uknown other then Gajiin not giving a ♥♥♥♥ about the italian jet line.

From people that write books about not giving a ♥♥♥♥ about the italian jet line

Not me, but a certain,
Paolo Maglio:

"F-104S were build in two variants: the CIO with missiles and no gun and the CBO with gun and no missiles but bombs only.

The S could carry only two kind of Missiles: AIM-7F Sparrow (only on BL105 external pylons) and AIM-9B, only in the last year of service, that was 1989 a few were given AIM-9L instead.

Standard configuration was 1 Sparrow and 1 Sidewinder and that was used for QRA service.

To intercept strategic bombers or MiG-25 configuration was 2 Sparrows at BL105 and 2 Fuel tanks at wing tips

War configuration was with 4 missiles: 2 Sidewinder at wingtips, 2 Sparrows at BL104 and 2 fuel tanks at BL75. Underbelly pylons BL22 were never cleared for use even if each Squadron got those pylons and use to play with them during airshows. There are a few photos of BL22 in flight but with no missiles attached to them.

By 1989 all S has been retired from service and converted into S-ASA.

The ASA replaced the Bravo with the Lima and the Sparrow with the Aspide.

During mid '90s the Italian Air force was short of wing tips fuel tanks so the use of fuel tanks at BL75 and Sidewinders at wingtips become more common. Mind that to use AIM-9L at wingtips the F-104 needed two kinds of launchers: Red Dog attached to wing and LAU-7 attached to Red Dog.

But the 104 was tricky to fly without wing tip tanks, so, after a few crashes, more tanks were produced and the use of wing tip missiles forbidden by the end of the Nineties.

36-0 showed here above was the only one known to be loaded with 6 missiles and it never flew that way, it was out of service during the airshow so it was used to scare Ivan, later it come back to service as 36-03 without the BL22 pylons.

NODA and (later) 18°Gruppo were an exception: this new unit was reformed due to the crisis with Libya and equipped with F-104S (later ASA) bombers that become free with the introduction of the Tornado. So these few F-104 kept the gun and could not carry Sparrow or Aspide. These were often see flying with 4 AIM-9L: 2 at wing tips and 2 at BL105.

I just wrote a book to clarify all these matters and hope it will go to printers this year. :woot.gif:/>" Paolo Maglio

http://www.arcforums.com/forums/air/index.php?/topic/291095-italian-f-104s-air-defense-loadout/

[Schublade]

Do you get that - a maximum of 6 missiles. More were static displays at airshow to piss off the Soviets.

[MaurizioCostanzo]

Originally posted by Schublade:

Originally posted by MaurizioCostanzo:

From people that write books about not giving a ♥♥♥♥ about the italian jet line

Not me, but a certain,
Paolo Maglio:

"F-104S were build in two variants: the CIO with missiles and no gun and the CBO with gun and no missiles but bombs only.

The S could carry only two kind of Missiles: AIM-7F Sparrow (only on BL105 external pylons) and AIM-9B, only in the last year of service, that was 1989 a few were given AIM-9L instead.

Standard configuration was 1 Sparrow and 1 Sidewinder and that was used for QRA service.

To intercept strategic bombers or MiG-25 configuration was 2 Sparrows at BL105 and 2 Fuel tanks at wing tips

War configuration was with 4 missiles: 2 Sidewinder at wingtips, 2 Sparrows at BL104 and 2 fuel tanks at BL75. Underbelly pylons BL22 were never cleared for use even if each Squadron got those pylons and use to play with them during airshows. There are a few photos of BL22 in flight but with no missiles attached to them.

By 1989 all S has been retired from service and converted into S-ASA.

The ASA replaced the Bravo with the Lima and the Sparrow with the Aspide.

During mid '90s the Italian Air force was short of wing tips fuel tanks so the use of fuel tanks at BL75 and Sidewinders at wingtips become more common. Mind that to use AIM-9L at wingtips the F-104 needed two kinds of launchers: Red Dog attached to wing and LAU-7 attached to Red Dog.

But the 104 was tricky to fly without wing tip tanks, so, after a few crashes, more tanks were produced and the use of wing tip missiles forbidden by the end of the Nineties.

36-0 showed here above was the only one known to be loaded with 6 missiles and it never flew that way, it was out of service during the airshow so it was used to scare Ivan, later it come back to service as 36-03 without the BL22 pylons.

NODA and (later) 18°Gruppo were an exception: this new unit was reformed due to the crisis with Libya and equipped with F-104S (later ASA) bombers that become free with the introduction of the Tornado. So these few F-104 kept the gun and could not carry Sparrow or Aspide. These were often see flying with 4 AIM-9L: 2 at wing tips and 2 at BL105.

I just wrote a book to clarify all these matters and hope it will go to printers this year. :woot.gif:/>" Paolo Maglio

http://www.arcforums.com/forums/air/index.php?/topic/291095-italian-f-104s-air-defense-loadout/

Apparently there's differing reports on the matter so you may be correct afterall sorry about my previus response, i've found both version stating what you say and other that say that a full configuration with 6 missiles was used, i need to check better. thanks tho.

[Solaire]

♥♥♥♥ just doesn't ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ work, half the time you don't even get the noise let alone any sort of marker.