Why was the Fox nerfed, but NOT the xm800?

[Trexler ♤]

The xm800 is objectively better in every way except for penetration, it doesnt make any sense why they would nerf its turret rotation speed when arguably it was the more balanced of the rat vehicles

[Iceman51326]

Originally posted by Trexler ♤:

The xm800 is objectively better in every way except for penetration, it doesnt make any sense why they would nerf its turret rotation speed when arguably it was the more balanced of the rat vehicles

doesnt the fox have higher pen while being at 7.3 and xm800 have lower pen at 8.0.?

[VeeVee]

Originally posted by Iceman51326:

Originally posted by Trexler ♤:

The xm800 is objectively better in every way except for penetration, it doesnt make any sense why they would nerf its turret rotation speed when arguably it was the more balanced of the rat vehicles

doesnt the fox have higher pen while being at 7.3 and xm800 have lower pen at 8.0.?

The Fox is 7.7, not 7.3 (It's 7.3 in Arcade, and the XM800 is 7.7 in Arcade), though you are correct, it has 110mm of pen vs 60mm on the XM800.

[Trexler ♤]

Originally posted by Iceman51326:

Originally posted by Trexler ♤:

The xm800 is objectively better in every way except for penetration, it doesnt make any sense why they would nerf its turret rotation speed when arguably it was the more balanced of the rat vehicles

doesnt the fox have higher pen while being at 7.3 and xm800 have lower pen at 8.0.?

lower pen doesnt matter when its a rat vehicle that can take out barrels instantly

[Iceman51326]

Originally posted by Trexler ♤:

Originally posted by Iceman51326:

doesnt the fox have higher pen while being at 7.3 and xm800 have lower pen at 8.0.?

lower pen doesnt matter when its a rat vehicle that can take out barrels instantly

no but with almost doble pen at a lower br its practically better than the xm800

[Iceman51326]

Originally posted by VeeVee:

Originally posted by Iceman51326:

doesnt the fox have higher pen while being at 7.3 and xm800 have lower pen at 8.0.?

The Fox is 7.7, not 7.3 (It's 7.3 in Arcade, and the XM800 is 7.7 in Arcade), though you are correct, it has 110mm of pen vs 60mm on the XM800.

mb didnt see arcade was on when i switched to britian
but it is pretty much better than the xm800. higher pen higher top speed slightly lower br. also it being a wheeled vehicle makes it be able to go into cover with a wheel missing where as. xm800 is a tracked vehicle and if its track gets shot it wont be able to go into cover

[Trexler ♤]

Originally posted by Iceman51326:

Originally posted by VeeVee:

The Fox is 7.7, not 7.3 (It's 7.3 in Arcade, and the XM800 is 7.7 in Arcade), though you are correct, it has 110mm of pen vs 60mm on the XM800.

mb didnt see arcade was on when i switched to britian
but it is pretty much better than the xm800. higher pen higher top speed slightly lower br

its objectively WORSE,

What fox has over xm:

-higher top speed
-higher pen
-slightly lower br

what xm has over fox:

-tracked and much faster acceleration (meaning its faster to get to points/caps, and much easier to get out of sticky situations)
-can neutral steer
-has triple the turret rotation speed
-much faster fire rate
-has a stabilizer

the fact that the xm didnt get nerfed, when it desperately needs to be is criminal, not to mention the fact that the fox is much less abusable because of the tradeoffs of the no stabilizer and the fact that wheels can be shot off, making it much harder to use

[Iceman51326]

Originally posted by Trexler ♤:

Originally posted by Iceman51326:

mb didnt see arcade was on when i switched to britian
but it is pretty much better than the xm800. higher pen higher top speed slightly lower br

its objectively WORSE,

What fox has over xm:

-higher top speed
-higher pen
-slightly lower br

what xm has over fox:

-tracked and much faster acceleration (meaning its faster to get to points/caps, and much easier to get out of sticky situations)
-can neutral steer
-has triple the turret rotation speed
-much faster fire rate
-has a stabilizer

the fact that the xm didnt get nerfed, when it desperately needs to be is criminal, not to mention the fact that the fox is much less abusable because of the tradeoffs of the no stabilizer and the fact that wheels can be shot off, making it much harder to use

xm struggles when facing of against russia because of its lower pen. it makes it practically useless. also the fox cannot be frontally penetrated with a .50cal while the xm800 can. it is far more vulnerable.

[Riggex]

Originally posted by Iceman51326:

Originally posted by Trexler ♤:

lower pen doesnt matter when its a rat vehicle that can take out barrels instantly

no but with almost doble pen at a lower br its practically better than the xm800

What makes the XM800 so powerful is that it's an absolute S tier light/paper tank bully, largely thanks to it's stabilizer. The vast majority of lightly armoured tanks at this BR range lack stabilizers, so XM800 can just absolutely shred them whilst on the move.

Fox has a very low RoF & very bouncy aim. XM800 completely bodies it in the 1v1, and tanks like these very often 1v1 because they're the first to contest the caps / stumble across each other on the flanks.

Trying to play any light / SPH etc whilst the XM800 swarm is about is a pretty miserable experience.

[Iceman51326]

Originally posted by Riggex:

Originally posted by Iceman51326:

no but with almost doble pen at a lower br its practically better than the xm800

What makes the XM800 so powerful is that it's an absolute S tier light/paper tank bully, largely thanks to it's stabilizer. The vast majority of lightly armoured tanks at this BR range lack stabilizers, so XM800 can just absolutely shred them whilst on the move.

Fox has a very low RoF & very bouncy aim. XM800 completely bodies it in the 1v1, and tanks like these very often 1v1 because they're the first to contest the caps / stumble across each other on the flanks.

Trying to play any light / SPH etc whilst the fox swarm is about is a pretty miserable experience.

as soon as xm800 has to do anything at a range its useless. fox can still do well. also no point in having a stab when you cant pen anything

[Riggex]

Originally posted by Iceman51326:

as soon as xm800 has to do anything at a range its useless. fox can still do well. also no point in having a stab when you cant pen anything

I'm not saying fox is bad, i'm just saying you're underselling XM800.

There are lots of lights / early IFV's / SPG's / SPH's at this BR range XM800 has no problem shredding, and against them, having the stabilizer that they don't is a legitimately huge advantage. Takes fox several seconds to slam on the brakes, wait for his barrel to stop bouncing and engage XM800, meanwhile XM800 can just instantly delete fox even at full speed.

XM800 obviously struggles to pen many of the Russian MBT / Heavies in the BR range, but it has the mobility to simply avoid those, or track & barrel them if avoiding isn't an option. If an XM800 is constantly finding itself in a position where it can't pen anything infront of it then that's just a positioning issue. There is an abundance of paper vehicles in it's BR range.

[Iceman51326]

Originally posted by Riggex:

Originally posted by Iceman51326:

as soon as xm800 has to do anything at a range its useless. fox can still do well. also no point in having a stab when you cant pen anything

I'm not saying fox is bad, i'm just saying you're underselling XM800.

There are lots of lights / early IFV's / SPG's / SPH's at this BR range XM800 has no problem shredding, and against them, having the stabilizer that they don't is a legitimately huge advantage. Takes fox several seconds to slam on the brakes, wait for his barrel to stop bouncing and engage XM800, meanwhile XM800 can just instantly delete fox even at full speed.

XM800 obviously struggles to pen many of the Russian MBT / Heavies in the BR range, but it has the mobility to simply avoid those, or track & barrel them if avoiding isn't an option. If an XM800 is constantly finding itself in a position where it can't pen anything infront of it then that's just a positioning issue. There is an abundance of paper vehicles in it's BR range.

XM800 tends to face a lot more meduim tanks than spg. it gets into lots of matches where its against stuff it really struggles with. yes there a lot of spg but also a lot of tanks it cannot fight. the xm800 is good but the fox is simply better

[rpsgc]

Originally posted by Trexler ♤:

its objectively WORSE,

What fox has over xm:

-higher top speed
-higher pen
-slightly lower br

The Fox also:

• Is immune to machine guns and very resistant against 20mm cannons.
• Can oneshot a lot of tanks (the 20mm has trouble penning even the sides of some tanks).

But to hell with both of them rats.