Bots at the market ?

[Venom]

Is it just me or are there bots on the market? I placed a purchase order for a box, but at regular intervals of about 10-15 seconds someone always miraculously beats me by 0.01 GJN more. I was interested, so I repeated this process for about 20 minutes and always at the same time intervals my bid was skipped by 0.01 cent, constantly, over and over again in instant reactions. I deliberately waited half an hour, did not change my bid and after half an hour I changed it again to be the first, but again within 10-15 seconds my bid was overtaken by 0.01 gjn. :) Are you telling me that a person sits for an hour and every 5-10 seconds refreshes the market page for an entire hour in a row so that he can change his bid by 0.01 gjn? :D

[Canadian Guitar]

Are you talking about the new auction marketplace?
Or the typical marketplace

[Venom]

Originally posted by Canadian Guitar:

Are you talking about the new auction marketplace?
Or the typical marketplace

About the standard marketplace.

[mogami_99]

Originally posted by Canadian Guitar:

Are you talking about the new auction marketplace?
Or the typical marketplace

has to be auction I would think when i buy on the market i get the price i agreed to.

[Canadian Guitar]

People are just placing buy orders for higher than you

[mogami_99]

Originally posted by Venom:

Originally posted by Canadian Guitar:

Are you talking about the new auction marketplace?
Or the typical marketplace

About the standard marketplace.

??? I want to buy a vehicle it gives me a price. I accept or decline but i don't bid.

[Akagi]

Originally posted by mogami_99:

Originally posted by Venom:

About the standard marketplace.

??? I want to buy a vehicle it gives me a price. I accept or decline but i don't bid.

You don't need to buy a vehicle immediatly.

I'll give you an example.

You're interested in buying the Su-85A, the cheapest offer is 20 coins.

You can either buy the cheapest offer (20 gjn) immediatly or set up a purchase order, requesting a lower price you'd like to pay, let's say 18 GJN.

Now you can just wait and if someone wants to sell his Su-85A immediatly then it will be sold for the highest value purchase order. If you set up the 18 GJN request and it's still considered the highest one then the market will sell the Su-85A to you for 18 GJN.

What OP is describing is that he sat up the purchase order for 18 GJN and 15 seconds later someone else is placing one for 18.01
So then OP went up to 18.02
And once again after 15 seconds someone's outbidding him again for 18.03.
So he sat it for 18.04.
15 seconds later someone else is offering 18.05.


That's why op is suspecting that that person starting a "bidding war" for 20 minutes straight is a scripted bot

[Venom]

Originally posted by Canadian Guitar:

People are just placing buy orders for higher than you

With such regular activity, always exactly 10-15 seconds after I change my bid? Also after a half hour break I come back and again in 10-15 seconds? So does a person really refresh the market page every 5 seconds for an hour straight? :) No, there were no multiple players, because no one added another bid. Only 1st and 2nd place changed, that is, me and the bot. 3rd place was still at the same bid of 2.18 gjn. Even when the bid climbed to 2.50, I let the first place super and went back to 2.19 and was satisfied with the second bid. But immediately, within 10 seconds, the change came and he also changed the bid to 2.20. So, there were only two of us there. I'll definitely go back to sleep late at night and try again to see if the player will be ready to immediately change the bid by 0.01 gjn in 10 seconds at midnight to keep the first place in the bid. :) And I really can't believe that someone sits at the marketplace page for 8 hours and refreshes it every 5 seconds so that he can change the sock by 0.01 gjn. :) We'll see.

[Canadian Guitar]

Originally posted by Venom:

Originally posted by Canadian Guitar:

People are just placing buy orders for higher than you

With such regular activity, always exactly 10-15 seconds after I change my bid? Also after a half hour break I come back and again in 10-15 seconds? So does a person really refresh the market page every 5 seconds for an hour straight? :) No, there were no multiple players, because no one added another bid. Only 1st and 2nd place changed, that is, me and the bot. 3rd place was still at the same bid of 2.18 gjn. Even when the bid climbed to 2.50, I let the first place super and went back to 2.19 and was satisfied with the second bid. But immediately, within 10 seconds, the change came and he also changed the bid to 2.20. So, there were only two of us there. I'll definitely go back to sleep late at night and try again to see if the player will be ready to immediately change the bid by 0.01 gjn in 10 seconds at midnight to keep the first place in the bid. :) And I really can't believe that someone sits at the marketplace page for 8 hours and refreshes it every 5 seconds so that he can change the sock by 0.01 gjn. :) We'll see.

First; you don't know it's the same person, it could be multiple people interest in an item. Lots more marketplace activity during SL crate "events"


Secondly; why is it that big of a stretch to believe someone is doing...the exact same thing you're doing?

[mogami_99]

Originally posted by Akagi:

Originally posted by mogami_99:

??? I want to buy a vehicle it gives me a price. I accept or decline but i don't bid.

You don't need to buy a vehicle immediatly.

I'll give you an example.

You're interested in buying the Su-85A, the cheapest offer is 20 coins.

You can either buy the cheapest offer (20 gjn) immediatly or set up a purchase order, requesting a lower price you'd like to pay, let's say 18 GJN.

Now you can just wait and if someone wants to sell his Su-85A immediatly then it will be sold for the highest value purchase order. If you set up the 18 GJN request and it's still considered the highest one then the market will sell the Su-85A to you for 18 GJN.

What OP is describing is that he sat up the purchase order for 18 GJN and 15 seconds later someone else is placing one for 18.01
So then OP went up to 18.02
And once again after 15 seconds someone's outbidding him again for 18.03.
So he sat it for 18.04.
15 seconds later someone else is offering 18.05.


That's why op is suspecting that that person starting a "bidding war" for 20 minutes straight is a scripted bot

Thanks, I guess I am not good at haggling. I want something I put in an order and buy. If the price is too high I don't. But a bidding war would mean someone else is also watching the price. I don't have time fighting if the price is reasonable I just pay it.
Gaijin coin is worthless except for buying things on market. You can never convert to real money so the only value it has is obtaining vehicles. If i want the vehicle I want the vehicle.

[Hotschi48]

Originally posted by Venom:

Is it just me or are there bots on the market? I placed a purchase order for a box, but at regular intervals of about 10-15 seconds someone always miraculously beats me by 0.01 GJN more. I was interested, so I repeated this process for about 20 minutes and always at the same time intervals my bid was skipped by 0.01 cent, constantly, over and over again in instant reactions. I deliberately waited half an hour, did not change my bid and after half an hour I changed it again to be the first, but again within 10-15 seconds my bid was overtaken by 0.01 gjn. :) Are you telling me that a person sits for an hour and every 5-10 seconds refreshes the market page for an entire hour in a row so that he can change his bid by 0.01 gjn? :D

Never place a buy order unless it's for something not very popular (like Italian planes or most skins) as it will almost always be outbid (and of course there are no bots active since this is completely sci-fi and never happens.... promised...).

Wait until the price asked is about right and hit the "buy" button.

[Venom]

Originally posted by Canadian Guitar:

Originally posted by Venom:

With such regular activity, always exactly 10-15 seconds after I change my bid? Also after a half hour break I come back and again in 10-15 seconds? So does a person really refresh the market page every 5 seconds for an hour straight? :) No, there were no multiple players, because no one added another bid. Only 1st and 2nd place changed, that is, me and the bot. 3rd place was still at the same bid of 2.18 gjn. Even when the bid climbed to 2.50, I let the first place super and went back to 2.19 and was satisfied with the second bid. But immediately, within 10 seconds, the change came and he also changed the bid to 2.20. So, there were only two of us there. I'll definitely go back to sleep late at night and try again to see if the player will be ready to immediately change the bid by 0.01 gjn in 10 seconds at midnight to keep the first place in the bid. :) And I really can't believe that someone sits at the marketplace page for 8 hours and refreshes it every 5 seconds so that he can change the sock by 0.01 gjn. :) We'll see.

First; you don't know it's the same person, it could be multiple people interest in an item. Lots more marketplace activity during SL crate "events"


Secondly; why is it that big of a stretch to believe someone is doing...the exact same thing you're doing?

First, if I bid 2.20 gjn, the second person gave me 2.21, I canceled my bid and made a new one 2.22. The second person then canceled the bid 2.21 and changed it to 2.23 and it continued like this. No other bids remained, nor did they add any. The last bid besides the two of us was still 2.19 as the third. In other words, there were no other or new players, but one and the same person. If it were a new player, another 3 bids would have to be added, or the flood would have to remain, but that didn't happen.

Secondly, I don't do it, I was just interested in it so I wanted to test it. And after a while I simply stopped enjoying it, I'm not crazy to do it and I stopped for half an hour and continued playing the game. But whenever I come back and change the bid, it's immediately 0.01 in 10 seconds. I tried it now too, after about an hour, my bid was immediately raised to 0.01gjn within 10 seconds.

So we can believe that the player has been sitting for about 3 hours at one box on the market and refreshes the page every few seconds, non-stop constantly and mysteriously always knows when I'll come back even after an hour, because my bid is raised to 10 seconds by his bid, which is already mentally and physically almost impossible to click and refresh the page every few seconds for 3 hours just to save a few tens of cents gjn., or is it simply a bot that monitors the price and can react to a change at any time within ten seconds, easily a hundred times in a row even at midnight... :)

Which of these possibilities do you think is more likely and more realistic? :D

[Canadian Guitar]

From the other person's perspective, every time they raise .01, someone comes in and outbids them .01, every few seconds.

[Venom]

Originally posted by Canadian Guitar:

From the other person's perspective, every time they raise .01, someone comes in and outbids them .01, every few seconds.

Rly? :) I know that every post of yours that I see is an endless defense and fight against every player who even dares to suggest something negative about the game, that's clear to me and I respect that, but please, let's be normal. There are only two possibilities, either you are so stupid that I don't think about you, or you are doing it intentionally and simply looking for any answer, even a meaningless one, just so that you don't have to admit even a completely obvious and logical thing. :)

And no, from the other person's point of view the situation looked like this. Some player tries to play with me, after 20 minutes he stopped having fun. Yes, he came back after half an hour and then again after an hour so I have to increase the offer again.

BUT, how does that player know when exactly I will come back if he reacts within ten seconds even if no offer came before that? Is he a fortune teller, a sorcerer? He knows when I returned to the PC so that he can respond within 10 seconds at any time within 3-4 hours? :) Why don't you explain this to me logically, but just write an answer that makes no sense, just trying to question something? I know, it can't be explained logically except by a bot, so why aren't we just being fair and admitting it? Will we really be better off than kids in kindergarten?

I guarantee you that if I really come back even at midnight and change the offer to be in the first place, within ten seconds the second offer will be deleted and replaced by a new one in the first place for 0.01 gjn.

From my side of the team, I'm closing. For the first half hour, I believed that I was just chatting with an equally determined player like me, but after about 4 hours +, no matter what time I come back, my offer is immediately overtaken within 10 seconds, but I think it's more than clear and one hundred percent that it's a bot.

[StarStorm]

Same thing happened to me while making an offer for a tank. Same time intervals and always by 1 cent increase every time.
I tested it too & it always stopped at the same treshhold.

So to make a random example. If the cheapest item was being sold for approx 60 G-coins and
the lowest price-offer to buy the item approx 30 G-coins; I would offer:

-> I offer 35 G-coins.
10sec later someone else offers 35,01
-> I offer 40 G-coins
10sec later someone else offers 40,01
-> I offer 45 G-coins
No more counter-offers.

** Now i cancel & restart **

31 + 10sec = 31.01 // 32 +10sec = 32,01 // 33 +10sec = 33,01 and so on.
Hitting 45. No more counter-offers.

So yes, I noticed and I too thought it seemed very sus. Glad I'm not the only one.

[torindechoza]

just put one offer. WTF are you doing trying to game the market and then complaining.