Air RB not fun at "top tier"

[Kuzu]

There seriously needs to be a rebalance at the top tier br. Like from 11-14.0 Its hardly fun. Being uptiered is the worst. It feels like being in a match catered to the enemy and not what i clicked "to battle" with a 11.5 for.

[RollClassic]

Maybe that's because jet combat is boring? Fire and forget everything isn't fun and never has been, it ruined ground CAS when it came out too.

[v1ce]

Originally posted by RollClassic:

Maybe that's because jet combat is boring? Fire and forget everything isn't fun and never has been, it ruined ground CAS when it came out too.

I fully agree with this. It ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ sucks. You fly to the combat area fire your missiles and ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ die hoping that your missiles hit something too. CAS is hated on so much because there are mf flying out of any SPAA range dropping their guided bombs or missiles farming kills without any possibility to get shot down without enemy aircraft.

[cafn]

You can only meet lineups at your own lineups br +/-1.0 unless you voluntarily squad up with someone with a higher br lineup - then that br counts.

[Fully operational death star]

learn proper counters to missiles and actually play modern jets like they are intended to be used (BVR combat) you will actually do well, also in my experience even the ''trash'' 13.0 su27 VS eurofighter is a winnable fight so its clearly not that bad

[dan]

Originally posted by RollClassic:

Maybe that's because jet combat is boring? Fire and forget everything isn't fun and never has been, it ruined ground CAS when it came out too.

This was the reason Gaijin didn't originally intend to add A2A missiles but people kept begging for them. Now playing 9.0+ flareless subsonics is completely awful in an uptier.

When the CL-13 was considered top-dog because it was a marginally better Sabre and there were no Tier V premiums and barely any Tier IV ones was when the game was at its best state, honestly. Getting to top-tier used to be an achievement and people were actually skilled when they got there however not anymore and 8.7 is no longer top-tier but now just a passover BR.

Gunfights with jets and no missiles was peak but we'll never see that again.

[Melonzz]

Originally posted by dan:

Originally posted by RollClassic:

Maybe that's because jet combat is boring? Fire and forget everything isn't fun and never has been, it ruined ground CAS when it came out too.

This was the reason Gaijin didn't originally intend to add A2A missiles but people kept begging for them. Now playing 9.0+ flareless subsonics is completely awful in an uptier.

When the CL-13 was considered top-dog because it was a marginally better Sabre and there were no Tier V premiums and barely any Tier IV ones was when the game was at its best state, honestly. Getting to top-tier used to be an achievement and people were actually skilled when they got there however not anymore and 8.7 is no longer top-tier but now just a passover BR.

Gunfights with jets and no missiles was peak but we'll never see that again.

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[BlackWolf9988]

i like it but i do have to say i like fox 1 and 2 combat more.

[Falco]

just take it more casually and listen to the top gun soundtrack

[bastion of pragmatism]

top tier air is incredibly fun if you have two brain cells to rub together. i'm guessing you've probably zombed your way to top tier and now are trying to play against actual pilots and getting your ass kicked, which is normal and i see a lot of. try to approach the gameplay with a little strategy and forethought and you'll do great.

[v1ce]

Originally posted by bastion of pragmatism:

top tier air is incredibly fun if you have two brain cells to rub together. i'm guessing you've probably zombed your way to top tier and now are trying to play against actual pilots and getting your ass kicked, which is normal and i see a lot of. try to approach the gameplay with a little strategy and forethought and you'll do great.

"Actual pilots". You can literally just climb to 10k meters, wait for < 30km range on enemies, fire your aim120b's and return to base while getting kills. Most of top tier are casuals and so ofc they don't find it fun.

[֎]

Most of the time, no its not fun, the ONLY time I have had fun at 11.7+ is with nearly/fully spaded aircraft.

After about 11.3-11.7~ I find it veryyyyyy tedious to spade a vehicle as you are forced to play extremely passively and hope that your team can knock down the big dawgs and allow you to enter from the sidelines and pick off a couple AI.

Is it impossible? Nah. Is it fun? Also, Nah.

As another user has said fox-1 and fox-2 are more enjoyable, and I agree with that. 11.7 and below offers a great mix of gun-play and missiles without being entirely dependent on electronics. Sure there are some instances of jets meeting missiles while not having counter measures but this isnt a MAJOR issue until you enter the "all aspect fox-2" era where you encounter R-60Ms and such and sure you'll have some deaths that are just not preventable but a majority of the time its all about understanding what aircraft have what missiles, and how close those missiles need to be to launch, if you cant outright dodge the missile from evasive maneuvers alone, its best to ensure you stay outside the range of the aircraft that carry em. Again, not always possible, but a few of my favorite aircraft: F-1, T-2, MiG-21S, Mirage IIICJ, MiG-19PT, F3H-2, F-100D all sit at 9.0-10.0 and play great despite not having any counter measures.

Heck i'll even throw the MiG-23M onto that list if you'd count it, its at 11.0 and only gets 12 countermeasures total. Whenever I play that I throw em all into flares and pray to the snail up above that all the radar missiles get used before im track by one.

[bastion of pragmatism]

Originally posted by v1ce:

Originally posted by bastion of pragmatism:

top tier air is incredibly fun if you have two brain cells to rub together. i'm guessing you've probably zombed your way to top tier and now are trying to play against actual pilots and getting your ass kicked, which is normal and i see a lot of. try to approach the gameplay with a little strategy and forethought and you'll do great.

"Actual pilots". You can literally just climb to 10k meters, wait for < 30km range on enemies, fire your aim120b's and return to base while getting kills. Most of top tier are casuals and so ofc they don't find it fun.

go record a match where you do that and get kills

[֎]

Originally posted by bastion of pragmatism:

Originally posted by v1ce:

"Actual pilots". You can literally just climb to 10k meters, wait for < 30km range on enemies, fire your aim120b's and return to base while getting kills. Most of top tier are casuals and so ofc they don't find it fun.

go record a match where you do that and get kills

Yeah ima piggy back off this and say probably not....... By the time you hit 10,000m with anything carrying AIM120Bs you'd have caught the attention of the entire enemy team and become easy pickings.

While top-top tier may have more of a "procedure" than anything 11.0 and below, its far from as simple as you seem to want to put it.

[v1ce]

Originally posted by ֎:

Originally posted by bastion of pragmatism:

go record a match where you do that and get kills

Yeah ima piggy back off this and say probably not....... By the time you hit 10,000m with anything carrying AIM120Bs you'd have caught the attention of the entire enemy team and become easy pickings.

While top-top tier may have more of a "procedure" than anything 11.0 and below, its far from as simple as you seem to want to put it.

Idk man thats what I'm doing. Eurofighter 6x aim120b. TWS 74km range. Climb up. If u are above them u can fire at the 30km mark and if not u wait till around 25km and fire then. After that u notch down to the ground and fly back to base. When u rearmed the match sometimes already is over or u can fly a 2nd time and pick up the last enemies.
It works better than u'd expect once u get it. I'm literally not doing anything else to grind the other planes other than what I mentioned and watching netflix on the 2nd monitor.

[v1ce]

Originally posted by bastion of pragmatism:

Originally posted by v1ce:

"Actual pilots". You can literally just climb to 10k meters, wait for < 30km range on enemies, fire your aim120b's and return to base while getting kills. Most of top tier are casuals and so ofc they don't find it fun.

go record a match where you do that and get kills

I have multiple lol. Should I send you the replay somewhere? Just add me.