Necessary BR changes GRB

[Ranold Arzenschwegger🕹]

USA:
- T34 from 6.7 to 7.0
Reason:
The armor and armament as well as the mobility are overall superior to all other opponents on 6.7

- Imp.Chaparral from 9.0 to 9.3
Enemy air defenses with infrared missiles are at least at 9.3.

GER:
-Tiger E
There is no sensible reason to rate this tiger higher than 5.7. Its penetration power is too weak for 6.0.

-Panther G and Panther F from 6.0 to 5.7
These vehicles must constantly compete against BR 7.0. Neither the armor nor the cannons can stand up to these vehicles.

-Tiger 2 10.5cm and Panther 2 from 7.0 to 6.7
The American T-34 is superior to the Tiger 2 in every respect. The turret of the Tiger 2 is a huge weak point.

The Panther 2 is extremely weakened because of its superstructure, it is easily visible and the spotlight prevents the turret from being moved effectively.

-Maus
The armor and armament are roughly comparable to that of the IS-3 (BR. 7.3). The main difference and disadvantage is that the Maus is very, very, very immobile.

-Leopard 2A4 from 10.7 to 10.3
The tank has very weak armor and, compared to other tanks, a lower penetration power than the DM23. As an alternative to a BR change, the tank could get DM43 and more realistic and stronger armor.

-Gepard 1A2 Ozelot from 9.7 to 9.3
The cannon is almost useless against aircraft, as the radar still does not show the correct lead points. The cannon is also only very rarely effective against helicopters, as they usually attack from too great a distance. The infrared missiles are therefore the main armament. The tank should be set to BR. 9.3 for comparison with equally powerful infrared systems, also so that it can be placed on the deck with the other vehicles of this nation. The Ozelot also belongs on 9.3 because it uses the same rockets, has no cannon, but is smaller and less visible.

-Leopard 2A5 from 12.0 to 11.7
The 2A5 is clearly weaker than the 2A6 and 2A7. Its main armament and ammunition range are at their limits when compared to Russian tanks of the same tier.

RUS:
-BTR 152D from 4.0 to 5.3
The BTR 152D is stronger than the air defenses of comparable nations at 5.3. A minimum increase to 5.3 is long overdue.

-PT-76B from 5.3 to 6.0
The high penetration power and the stabilized cannon are superior to the opponents at a comparable level. If the PT were a little better armored, it would even have to be at 7.0. However, since the armor is very weak, this tank belongs at least at 6.0, where it would still be very strong in experienced hands.

-M53/59 from 6.3 to 7.0
This air defence is clearly superior to all comparable AA of other nations and belongs due to the high rate of fire and effectiveness of the armament on at least Br. 7.0

-ZSU 37 from 7.7 to 9.0
This radar-based air defense is at least as effective as the Gepard on 8.3 and therefore belongs on the same level.
Unbelievable that this AA is currently at 7.7 and is therefore competing against 6.7 planes.

-ZSU-23-4 From 8.0 to 8.3
The ZSU is actually a bit stronger against planes than the Gepard. Therefore, a minimum increase to 8.3 is necessary.

- 2s6 from BR 10.7 to 11.7
This anti-aircraft is superior to most anti-aircraft defenses on BR 12.0. However, since a downgrade against the pantsir (totally OP by the way) seems fair, the 2S6 should be uptiered to at least 11.7.

GB:
-Rooikat 105 from 9.7 to 9.3
he low armor, mobility and cannon are comparable to lightly armored tanks of other nations at 9.3.

Japan
-Schwerer Panzer No6 (Tiger 1) from 6.0 to 5.7
This tank belongs like all other tiger 1 on 5.7

- STA-A3 from 6.7 to 7.0
The main armament is too strong for 6.7. Due to the power of this tank, an increase to at least 7.0 is justified.

- Sub I-II from 5.3 to 6.3
This anti-aircraft system is extremely powerful and has a very high rate of fire. It is far too powerful on the BR 5.3.

China:

- Phong Kong from 5.0 to 4.7
Due to the low rate of fire and the high dispersion of the projectiles, this tank should be downgraded somewhat. 4.7 Sounds appropriate in my eyes.

-ZSD63/PG87 fromk 5.3 to 6.3
The rate of fire and the effectiveness of the armament is too strong for 5.3 and therefore belongs to at least 6.3.

Tor M1 from 11.0 to 11.7
The Tor M1 is one of the best anti-aircraft guns in the game. In order to maintain a small gradation compared to the Pantsir, the upgrade to 11.7 seems more than fair.

ITALY:

-OF 40 (MCTA)
Compared to other premium 9.3 tanks, the tank has no thermals. For this reason, this tank should be downgraded to 9.0.

-ZSU-23-4 From 8.0 to 8.3
The ZSU is actually a bit stronger against planes than the Gepard. Therefore, a minimum increase to 8.3 is necessary.

-Ariete (variants from 11.7)
These tanks cannot compete with other nations in any characteristics on 11.7 to 12.0. They belong on 11.0-11.3

FRANCE:

-AMX 30DCA from 8.7 to 8.3
Same performance as other air defenses that are or are to be set at 8.3

Conclusion: Basically, it is noticeable that the Russian tanks are strongly favored in their current classification. The statistics on WT Dataprojekt confirm this. It is precisely here that a BR adjustment is necessary in the sense of a fair balance. Even if other BR adjustments only have a small effect, this is also necessary in order to create a fairer balance between the vehicles of the different nations.

I play all nations on all BR. For the BR changes, I used my extensive experience (more than 5k hours) and additional statistics (WT Dataproject, Thunderskill etc.) from the internet. I tried to look at this BR change objectively and not very subjective. However, a slight degree of subjectivity cannot be ruled out and is in the nature of things.

This list only includes ground vehicles and is not complete. Here are only vehicles whose BR discrepancy struck me as particularly negative. I ask for an objective discussion. Comments that detract from the topic, are pointless and without any argument (trolls), provocative or offensive will be blocked and reported. So if you have nothing constructive and objective to contribute, please do not write anything in this thread. Thank you very much.

[Wandering Flare]

Ursprungligen skrivet av ThatDamnRat64:

Ursprungligen skrivet av PotatoScav:

How do you buff or nerf a tank in a realistic tank simulator game.

LEAK OPERATIOR RAAH

Kind of an amusing situation if you think about it, they can't make some vehicles better because doing so would imply they took the illegal documents that were provided to them, so realism is literally keeping the game from being balanced.

[whatdoesthisbuttondo?]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Wandering Flare:

Ursprungligen skrivet av ThatDamnRat64:

LEAK OPERATIOR RAAH

Kind of an amusing situation if you think about it, they can't make some vehicles better because doing so would imply they took the illegal documents that were provided to them, so realism is literally keeping the game from being balanced.

The whole "secret document leak" marketing schtick thing needs to be taken with a healthy dose of realism to be honest.

There is nothing leaked that isn't more or less public knowledge anyways, just some documents containing information already out there that are technically still classified, but could just as well be released to the public.

Documents a government would have no issues handing out to exactly the kind of unstable idiot that puts them on a video game forum because he's mad about something, and gets a decade or two in prison in return.

Because he couldn't be bothered to find a source with the same information that didn't have "classified" written on the cover.

Chances are if you served in your countries military, you've been given scores of these "secret documents", and nobody ever asked you to return them or what you did with them.

Gaijin doesn't change what they don't want to change, simple as that. The explanation being "our research shows different" or "oh noes secret documents" doesn't change that.

By the way, you can freely buy realistic simulators that are used by militaries around the world, Gaijin could just copy from there if secret documents where an issue.

[Wandering Flare]

Ursprungligen skrivet av whatdoesthisbuttondo?:

Ursprungligen skrivet av Wandering Flare:

Kind of an amusing situation if you think about it, they can't make some vehicles better because doing so would imply they took the illegal documents that were provided to them, so realism is literally keeping the game from being balanced.

Gaijin doesn't change what they don't want to change, simple as that. The explanation being "our research shows different" or "oh noes secret documents" doesn't change that.

Yea it's common knowledge by now that they can be provided a hundred open sources and if they don't like it they will make up some excuse why they won't use it. Just that when it is actually classified info, which I'm sure at least some of the leaked documents are, it's funny to think that they can't use it despite it being exactly what should be in the game.

[whatdoesthisbuttondo?]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Wandering Flare:

Ursprungligen skrivet av whatdoesthisbuttondo?:

Gaijin doesn't change what they don't want to change, simple as that. The explanation being "our research shows different" or "oh noes secret documents" doesn't change that.

Yea it's common knowledge by now that they can be provided a hundred open sources and if they don't like it they will make up some excuse why they won't use it. Just that when it is actually classified info, which I'm sure at least some of the leaked documents are, it's funny to think that they can't use it despite it being exactly what should be in the game.

Most documents you get handed in the military are classified, doesn't mean the information in there isn't public knowledge and present in dozens of open sources.

Fun thing, something being in a classified manual from 30 years ago doesn't automatically make it correct, it makes it the information that someone decided can be freely given to every unstable idiot that they drafted at the time.

So yea, there is a good chance that a current article on Wikipedia of all things is more accurate than what some idiot leaks on a forum.

If I remember it correctly, one of those dudes even got himself in a whole lot of trouble over a document that was already publicly available at the time, but the problem was that the specific copy he published from was only technically still classified.

Marketing schtick.