China needs to be buffed

[Aaron]

Title.

At least for its 12BR Line Up. 9BR is absolutely amazing but 12BR is very much lacking relative to other Nations.

Not just does China have less available Vehicles to field but aside from looking cool they are also argueably among the weakest in the Game.

Just compare it with France - France got a total of six 12BR MBTs. China only has half of that (three) and they are also made out of paper. USSR and Germany got more as well and they are also way better. No Top Tier Squadron Vehicle or Premium for China either aside from the 11.0 Al-Khalid.

No Light Tank to take with you into 12BR, only one IFV with the ZBD04A and no domestic SPAA either (But i guess the TOR/HQ is good but haven't played those myself yet) and the ZLT11 is outright garbage compared to Stuff like the Centauro for example.

The ZTZ99A also has no APS even through it does have it IRL. Both the 99A and VT4 have Spall-Liners IRL. This has even been reported and accepted over a year ago - and yet nothing done so far. They also have stronger APFSDS IRL. They also have an faster Reload of 6 seconds and not 7.1. The in-Game Version is just an completely unrealistic scuffed insult to what they actually are capable of IRL.

So my suggestions would be : Add a new ZTZ99A with APS and stronger Darts, give Chinas MBT their Spall Liners and other missing features, which they have IRL, and folder it with the current 99A.
Add an capable Top Tier IFV like the VN20, VN22 and some from RoC like the CM34 maybe.
Add one or two nice domestic SPAA like the LD-35, Yitian II, FK-2000 and or Type 625E
Add the VN12 (with 105mm Gun) and ZTQ-15 as Light Tank for Top.
Add AFT10 'cause lol

This would at least bring China on par with most other Nations and also make it a lot more attractive for Players to grind the Tree.


Also China needs more historical Decals and Camouflages. Its not great that Nations like USSR, Germany and USA have dozens of freely available Decals and each Tank has a wide range of Camouflages to choose from whereas China only has its like ~four Roundels/Insignia and a grand total of....two free Tank/Aircraft Decal and all else are locked behind MP or were only available as FOMO Battlepass even through they were historical / real ones as well - not even shown/listed in the Customization and many Tanks for China only have their historical Camouflages available on the Marketplace. For example both the AFT09 and ZTZ96A digital Camouflage is only available on the Marketplace, many others don't even have it. And for the Tricolour Camouflage you got to pay as well whereas as said Nations like USSR, Germany etc. get so many for free


Just my humble Opinion. But it definitely needs a buff.

[^4Steel ^1Jackal^2~FYANB~]

personally my biggest issue with china is tha most of the tanks in their tech tree arent chinese.
like yeah the top tier chinese tanks are cool and im actually really interested in the tor, but i also dont want to grind through the lower brs when its mostly just american and russian tanks.

i would love to see more unique chinese tanks added at lower brs.

[Lozano]

Originally posted by ^4Steel ^1Jackal^2~FYANB~:

i would love to see more unique chinese tanks added at lower brs.

For example? China didn't build tanks before early-mid coldwar. Nor ROC, nor PRC as I know.

Originally posted by Aaron:

Also China needs more historical Decals and Camouflages. Its not great that Nations like USSR, Germany and USA have dozens of freely available Decals and each Tank has a wide range of Camouflages to choose from whereas China only has its like ~four Roundels/Insignia and a grand total of....two free Tank/Aircraft Decal and all else are locked behind MP or were only available as FOMO Battlepass even through they were historical / real ones as well - not even shown/listed in the Customization and many Tanks for China only have their historical Camouflages available on the Marketplace. For example both the AFT09 and ZTZ96A digital Camouflage is only available on the Marketplace, many others don't even have it. And for the Tricolour Camouflage you got to pay as well whereas as said Nations like USSR, Germany etc. get so many for free

I'm agree, I think China can get lot of camos and decals both for PRC and ROC units.
And additionaly China can get DPRK subtier, it has some interesting stuff too. Mig-29, Mig-23, Unique korean-built variants of T-62... And also some fully own DPRK units too, lazy to google names. But I'm sure that they also had own wheel-based ATGM armored car and many domestic-built tanks inspired by T-72

[Aaron]

Originally posted by ^4Steel ^1Jackal^2~FYANB~:

i would love to see more unique chinese tanks added at lower brs.

Theres not really any. And does anyone actuall play China for its lower-mid BRs? I bought myself straight into the Top with the 96A(P) for China, once you hit 9BR thats where its at. 10-12BR would be amazing if the Tree wasn't so neglected because theres tons of Stuff there to be added.

When i look at Forum suggestions for China, not much for lower BR either and i think that would be a waste of development time because no one actually plays China for those BR - they might have just as well made it like Israels where you directly start at an higher BR. Because all the Stuff until ~8BR is just USSR/USA (and WW2 Japanese) you already got multiple times in other Trees

[^4Steel ^1Jackal^2~FYANB~]

Originally posted by Aaron:

they might have just as well made it like Israels where you directly start at an higher BR. Because all the Stuff until ~8BR is just USSR/USA (and WW2 Japanese) you already got multiple times in other Trees

ok maybe i was being way too tongue in cheek but thats what i was getting at. i actually considered saying specifically that but i figured it wouldent make sense to get rid of the copy tanks that are already in the tree.
ive said it before in other threads, i just dont get why china is the way it is.

[j.yellow28]

Originally posted by Aaron:

Originally posted by ^4Steel ^1Jackal^2~FYANB~:

i would love to see more unique chinese tanks added at lower brs.

Theres not really any. And does anyone actuall play China for its lower-mid BRs? I bought myself straight into the Top with the 96A(P) for China, once you hit 9BR thats where its at. 10-12BR would be amazing if the Tree wasn't so neglected because theres tons of Stuff there to be added.

When i look at Forum suggestions for China, not much for lower BR either and i think that would be a waste of development time because no one actually plays China for those BR - they might have just as well made it like Israels where you directly start at an higher BR. Because all the Stuff until ~8BR is just USSR/USA (and WW2 Japanese) you already got multiple times in other Trees

they should still giuve love to lower teirs becouse not everyone can buy to top tier and personally buying to top tier isnt fun since im basicly paying to not play alot of the game in a sense?

[Aaron]

Originally posted by j.yellow28:

Originally posted by Aaron:

Theres not really any. And does anyone actuall play China for its lower-mid BRs? I bought myself straight into the Top with the 96A(P) for China, once you hit 9BR thats where its at. 10-12BR would be amazing if the Tree wasn't so neglected because theres tons of Stuff there to be added.

When i look at Forum suggestions for China, not much for lower BR either and i think that would be a waste of development time because no one actually plays China for those BR - they might have just as well made it like Israels where you directly start at an higher BR. Because all the Stuff until ~8BR is just USSR/USA (and WW2 Japanese) you already got multiple times in other Trees

they should still giuve love to lower teirs becouse not everyone can buy to top tier and personally buying to top tier isnt fun since im basicly paying to not play alot of the game in a sense?

What love tho? Like when they added the ZSL92? That was a whole wasted Vehicle for China in that Update which could have been the 96B, ZTQ15, AFT10 or whatever tons of Stuff for China at 9BR-12BR, low-mid Tier China just isn't it

And i would argue it actually is good that there isn't much at its low-mid because that means you can reach its actually interesting and domestic/unique Vehicle + High Tier quicker and all there is below that would just be more already existing Copy+Paste - which would only drag out the grind to reach Chinas own Stuff.

[Colonel Jason]

Only thing China needs right now to reload speed buff to their tanks. 7.1 was hard enough in Russia but with Chinese vehicles? Hell nah.

[Aaron]

Originally posted by Colonel Jason:

Only thing China needs right now to reload speed buff to their tanks. 7.1 was hard enough in Russia but with Chinese vehicles? Hell nah.

Yea, they are really nerfed to what they are actually capable of IRL. From what i can find Online the 99A has an reload of six seconds, way stronger APFSDS, have spall liners and has APS too - all of which it lacks in game or has worse version of.
Some sources also say it has up to -7 degrees depression

Not just that but you also only get three 12BR MBTs and the 99-II + 99-III at 11BR whereas France has four 12BR Leclerc in addition to two Leopards lol

And this has been pointed out since a long time, sad that it just gets ignored and neglected just because there aren't so many people complaining about it.

Like they actually did accept an report on it for the 99A and VT4A1 over a year ago and yet still nothing...

[Labdog]

Better CAS via the JH-7A2 and later Z-10 is also needed. The Z-10 we have now is an early version.

[QUANTUM MECHANICS c000021a]

Why ? Top tier chinese tank performs a lot better then Gaijin`s version of M1A2`s

[flat_Lander1]

Originally posted by Aaron:

Title.

Just compare it with France - France got a total of six 12BR MBTs. China only has half of that (three) and they are also made out of paper. USSR and Germany got more as well and they are also way better. No Top Tier Squadron Vehicle or Premium for China either aside from the 11.0 Al-Khalid.

USSR only has 2 12.0 MBTs and WZ & ZTZ are better

[Betrayer]

Originally posted by QUANTUM MECHANICS c000021a:

Why ? Top tier chinese tank performs a lot better then Gaijin`s version of M1A2`s

I think the Leclerc is one of the best mbt in the game
and the Abrams is just a better leclerc. a bit slower and louder, but everything else is superior
4 crew, decent turret armor, good mobility is king in this game

[QUANTUM MECHANICS c000021a]

Originally posted by Betrayer:

I think the Leclerc is one of the best mbt in the game
and the Abrams is just a better leclerc.

Leclerc and M1s are missing one crucial thing spall liners.
Curently best top tier MBT`s are Leopard 2A7V, Challanger 2E, T90M all other tanks which have spall liners.

[Betrayer]

Originally posted by QUANTUM MECHANICS c000021a:

Originally posted by Betrayer:

I think the Leclerc is one of the best mbt in the game
and the Abrams is just a better leclerc.

Leclerc and M1s are missing one crucial thing spall liners.
Curently best top tier MBT`s are Leopard 2A7V, Challanger 2E, T90M all other tanks which have spall liners.

I dont think spall liners will teach US players how to play the game

french teams can certainly manage without it

its a joke dont take it too srs :D

[Aaron]

Originally posted by QUANTUM MECHANICS c000021a:

Why ? Top tier chinese tank performs a lot better then Gaijin`s version of M1A2`s

Originally posted by flat_Lander1:

USSR only has 2 12.0 MBTs and WZ & ZTZ are better

Just no. In what World do you have to live to think that the ZTZ99A, WZ1001 and or VT4A1 are better than the M1A2? They maybe perform better because the average China Player is simply better than the average US-Player but the Tank just themself of China are worse. Worse Darts, worse Armour (non existent even), worse Reload, worse gun depression, worse line up, more and larger weakspots (their LFP is also larger than that of USSR MBTs and unlike USSR MBTs Chinese MBTs don't have any ERA at all on the side/tracks) - the single only thing Chinas MBT have going for them making them stand out is that they are fast and thats it.

And Gaijins Version of Chinas MBTs is even more scuffed and nerfed than their versions of some NATO MBTs (like the M1A2 for example which has its problem too yes but they are not as absolutely ridicilous as for Chinas; theres some great Threads on the Forum about it)