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F14 IRIAF should be at 13.0
It has missiles that can be shot from the the opposite side of the map and are just as complicated, and often more complicated to evade than aim 120's, because of the worse airframes it can be fighting.
The Fakour 90's are ridiculous and should never have been added, or should be nerfed.
They give a huge advantage to the team they are playing with, forcing the enemy team to be extremely defensive from the start, and there is no aircraft that can counter it, no other nation has a similar missile or airframe to counter it, so f14's can just do whatever they want and stay perfectly safe.
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Kay Jan 6 @ 3:11am 
They're fine at 12.7, the fakour is nowhere near as bad as the AMRAAM to avoid, it can just be fired from further away
i agree, the plane it self is fine in its current BR its just the stupid fakours which are the best BVR Fox 3 in the game due to the insane speed. remember its some weird mystery missile from 2017...

gaijin should just remove/rework the fakour or put the iranian f14 up to 13.0.
Last edited by BlackWolf9988; Jan 6 @ 8:01pm
Hmmm. I'll have to take out this plane. I got it because FOMO and then just never played it as top tier RAB is almost as boring as naval gameplay.
Last edited by Santa Claus; Jan 6 @ 9:34pm
it is now.
Skill issue.
moved to 13.0 without buffing it's other missiles. I'd love to have the Aim-7F underbelly pylons.
Venom Feb 12 @ 4:52am 
I disagree. I don't want to question your abilities, but first of all, the F-14 missiles, whether they are AIM-54 or Fakur, cannot be compared to the modern Fox 3 Aim-120, that's nonsense. Aim-120s are on a completely different level. Yes, Fakurs are better than standard AIM-54s, but overall I don't have any big problems with the F-14. Getting rid of their Fox 3 missiles is very easy. A small noch maneuver with a low descent above the ground is enough and you don't even need countermeasures and the missile will lose the lock. Yes, I had a problem with that when I was a rookie on this BR and I didn't know how to use noch, etc. Besides, don't worry, if you read the news, there will be a decompression where the F-14 will be assigned to BR 13.0, which is a bit nonsense for me...

If anything, only the F-14 IRIAF should have been moved to 13.0, precisely with the Fakurs, which have much higher speed compared to the regular AIM-54. Overall, this BR 13.0 is very poorly set up. 13.0 doesn't solve much. You will still be able to encounter the Fakur at BR 12.0, while the IRIAF will start to encounter literally top tier 13.7-14.0, which is already insanely exaggerated for the F-14 to fight the F-15E, Eurofighter, Rafale, etc. These are all modern aircraft with modern Fox 3s, which are significantly better than the Fox 3 F-14.

Modern Fox 3s should be a separate category where aircraft without these missiles could not meet aircraft with modern Fox 3s. The top tier should be 14.7-15.0 and the F-14 should be moved to 13.3 where it could not meet top tier aircraft, but at the same time 12.0 could not lose to the F-14 and from 13.3 a category of aircraft early versions of the F-16, Mig-29, F-15, SU-27, etc. would be created. Simply powerful machines without modern Fox 3s that do not have the older Fox 3 AIM-54 or Fakur, but in terms of performance and flight characteristics they can compete much more with the F-14 than aircraft from BR 12.0.

But Gaijin will only move the F-14 to 13.0, which as I wrote doesn't solve anything much and even wants to move the early version of the F-16 to 12.3 which is crazy nonsense. Realistically, with a BR 11.3 aircraft, you will be able to meet the F-16. :D And the SU-39 with R-73 top tier IR rockets will go to 11.3 which is a joke if you imagine that an aircraft from 10.3 will be able to meet the R-73. :D Sometimes I feel like the people who decide about this don't play this game at all.
Last edited by Venom; Feb 12 @ 5:07am
Originally posted by Lt-AlphaFoxtrot:
moved to 13.0 without buffing it's other missiles. I'd love to have the Aim-7F underbelly pylons.
tried 5 games with F-14 IRIAF, it's completely useless with only Fakour and few number of chaff. Out of 5 games, only only 1 fakour connected and it didnt kill the guy. It's officially dead. Do not buy F-14 IRIAF if you plan to. lmao.

Whoever trying to justify 13.0 F-14 IRIAF, clearly a straight line base runner wanker that do not know how to do a simple Notching.
Last edited by Lt-AlphaFoxtrot; Feb 12 @ 5:15am
Venom Feb 12 @ 5:18am 
Originally posted by Lt-AlphaFoxtrot:
Originally posted by Lt-AlphaFoxtrot:
moved to 13.0 without buffing it's other missiles. I'd love to have the Aim-7F underbelly pylons.
tried 5 games with F-14 IRIAF, it's completely useless with only Fakour. and few number of chaff. Out of 5 games, only only 1 fakour connected and it didnt kill the guy. It's dead lmao.

Trying to justify 13.0 F-14 IRIAF deserve it clearly a straight line base runner wanker that do not know how to do a simple Notching.

I agree, the aim-54 or Fakur is very simple. The problem with this is often mainly faced by players whose game play is set on speed and destroying the first base. They have to do what prevents them from being the first to continue straight to the base because the F-14 often chooses the players who rush to the base first.
Ducky Feb 12 @ 10:55pm 
Originally posted by Venom:
I disagree. I don't want to question your abilities, but first of all, the F-14 missiles, whether they are AIM-54 or Fakur, cannot be compared to the modern Fox 3 Aim-120, that's nonsense. Aim-120s are on a completely different level. Yes, Fakurs are better than standard AIM-54s, but overall I don't have any big problems with the F-14. Getting rid of their Fox 3 missiles is very easy. A small noch maneuver with a low descent above the ground is enough and you don't even need countermeasures and the missile will lose the lock. Yes, I had a problem with that when I was a rookie on this BR and I didn't know how to use noch, etc. Besides, don't worry, if you read the news, there will be a decompression where the F-14 will be assigned to BR 13.0, which is a bit nonsense for me...

If anything, only the F-14 IRIAF should have been moved to 13.0, precisely with the Fakurs, which have much higher speed compared to the regular AIM-54. Overall, this BR 13.0 is very poorly set up. 13.0 doesn't solve much. You will still be able to encounter the Fakur at BR 12.0, while the IRIAF will start to encounter literally top tier 13.7-14.0, which is already insanely exaggerated for the F-14 to fight the F-15E, Eurofighter, Rafale, etc. These are all modern aircraft with modern Fox 3s, which are significantly better than the Fox 3 F-14.

Modern Fox 3s should be a separate category where aircraft without these missiles could not meet aircraft with modern Fox 3s. The top tier should be 14.7-15.0 and the F-14 should be moved to 13.3 where it could not meet top tier aircraft, but at the same time 12.0 could not lose to the F-14 and from 13.3 a category of aircraft early versions of the F-16, Mig-29, F-15, SU-27, etc. would be created. Simply powerful machines without modern Fox 3s that do not have the older Fox 3 AIM-54 or Fakur, but in terms of performance and flight characteristics they can compete much more with the F-14 than aircraft from BR 12.0.

But Gaijin will only move the F-14 to 13.0, which as I wrote doesn't solve anything much and even wants to move the early version of the F-16 to 12.3 which is crazy nonsense. Realistically, with a BR 11.3 aircraft, you will be able to meet the F-16. :D And the SU-39 with R-73 top tier IR rockets will go to 11.3 which is a joke if you imagine that an aircraft from 10.3 will be able to meet the R-73. :D Sometimes I feel like the people who decide about this don't play this game at all.
I have been playing for quite a while, and I know how to evade fox 3's, I usually have no problem doing it at top tier. The issue is that you have a missile moving very very fast, and at that BR fairly bad RWR's, so your warning is quite late. And even when notching, the fakours seem a bit random and sometimes still track perfectly well. Thats my main issue with them. Especially with certain planes, the RWR doesnt let you know a very precise direction, which means your notch isnt perfect.
That combined with the fact it can be shot from the enemy base is the problem. It is a no skill weapon which breaks that BR which is usually more about missile dogfights. It also forces most of the team that doesnt have and f14's to be very very evasive, which has a big effect on the outcome.
The reason its a huge pain is mainly that, there is no skill involved in it, and still it gives a huge advantage to one team, and often 1 of them take out 1-4 players within 3-4min of the game. So honestly, if you f14 players are missing it sounds more like a skill issue on your side since you people wanna bring out that card. Anyways now it will be changed since gaijin finally saw the issue with it. And yeah, its not a good solution but there has never been any good solutions, just more compression.
Venom Feb 13 @ 6:41am 
Originally posted by Ducky:
Originally posted by Venom:
I disagree. I don't want to question your abilities, but first of all, the F-14 missiles, whether they are AIM-54 or Fakur, cannot be compared to the modern Fox 3 Aim-120, that's nonsense. Aim-120s are on a completely different level. Yes, Fakurs are better than standard AIM-54s, but overall I don't have any big problems with the F-14. Getting rid of their Fox 3 missiles is very easy. A small noch maneuver with a low descent above the ground is enough and you don't even need countermeasures and the missile will lose the lock. Yes, I had a problem with that when I was a rookie on this BR and I didn't know how to use noch, etc. Besides, don't worry, if you read the news, there will be a decompression where the F-14 will be assigned to BR 13.0, which is a bit nonsense for me...

If anything, only the F-14 IRIAF should have been moved to 13.0, precisely with the Fakurs, which have much higher speed compared to the regular AIM-54. Overall, this BR 13.0 is very poorly set up. 13.0 doesn't solve much. You will still be able to encounter the Fakur at BR 12.0, while the IRIAF will start to encounter literally top tier 13.7-14.0, which is already insanely exaggerated for the F-14 to fight the F-15E, Eurofighter, Rafale, etc. These are all modern aircraft with modern Fox 3s, which are significantly better than the Fox 3 F-14.

Modern Fox 3s should be a separate category where aircraft without these missiles could not meet aircraft with modern Fox 3s. The top tier should be 14.7-15.0 and the F-14 should be moved to 13.3 where it could not meet top tier aircraft, but at the same time 12.0 could not lose to the F-14 and from 13.3 a category of aircraft early versions of the F-16, Mig-29, F-15, SU-27, etc. would be created. Simply powerful machines without modern Fox 3s that do not have the older Fox 3 AIM-54 or Fakur, but in terms of performance and flight characteristics they can compete much more with the F-14 than aircraft from BR 12.0.

But Gaijin will only move the F-14 to 13.0, which as I wrote doesn't solve anything much and even wants to move the early version of the F-16 to 12.3 which is crazy nonsense. Realistically, with a BR 11.3 aircraft, you will be able to meet the F-16. :D And the SU-39 with R-73 top tier IR rockets will go to 11.3 which is a joke if you imagine that an aircraft from 10.3 will be able to meet the R-73. :D Sometimes I feel like the people who decide about this don't play this game at all.
I have been playing for quite a while, and I know how to evade fox 3's, I usually have no problem doing it at top tier. The issue is that you have a missile moving very very fast, and at that BR fairly bad RWR's, so your warning is quite late. And even when notching, the fakours seem a bit random and sometimes still track perfectly well. Thats my main issue with them. Especially with certain planes, the RWR doesnt let you know a very precise direction, which means your notch isnt perfect.
That combined with the fact it can be shot from the enemy base is the problem. It is a no skill weapon which breaks that BR which is usually more about missile dogfights. It also forces most of the team that doesnt have and f14's to be very very evasive, which has a big effect on the outcome.
The reason its a huge pain is mainly that, there is no skill involved in it, and still it gives a huge advantage to one team, and often 1 of them take out 1-4 players within 3-4min of the game. So honestly, if you f14 players are missing it sounds more like a skill issue on your side since you people wanna bring out that card. Anyways now it will be changed since gaijin finally saw the issue with it. And yeah, its not a good solution but there has never been any good solutions, just more compression.

The reality is that you always have F-14s on both your team and the enemy's. Fakur or aim-54s have to be fired from a long distance of 20-30km, because they are ineffective at short distances. In other words, you just need to make a notch maneuver at the beginning and most of these missiles are fired. In other words, I don't think it should have a significant impact on one. The only problem is players who want to destroy the base and be the first. They don't like having to notch and lose their first position. Or if they don't notch, they will be destroyed. As I already wrote, I personally don't have a big problem with these missiles. I die very rarely from them. And if I die from them, it's often my fault. And I don't know why you're writing about skills when I wrote that I have no problem avoiding them, which means I don't play F-14s. I don't even have IRIAF. If I write that I have a problem with Fakur missiles, etc. does that mean that I have a problem with skills? A bit strange.

Besides, you didn't understand the point of my post. I wrote about the opposite side, that the F-14 will meet top tier machines like the F-15E, Eurofighter, Rafale, Gripen, etc. Doesn't that sound a bit too much like an aircraft from the 70s to you? :) The fact that BR 11.7 will not meet the F-14 IRIAF, that's fine, I have no problem with that. The aircraft tree simply needs to be more spread out in BR and the top tier should be at 14.7-15.0 in the current situation, not 13.7-14.0.
Ducky Feb 13 @ 7:04am 
Originally posted by Venom:
Originally posted by Ducky:
I have been playing for quite a while, and I know how to evade fox 3's, I usually have no problem doing it at top tier. The issue is that you have a missile moving very very fast, and at that BR fairly bad RWR's, so your warning is quite late. And even when notching, the fakours seem a bit random and sometimes still track perfectly well. Thats my main issue with them. Especially with certain planes, the RWR doesnt let you know a very precise direction, which means your notch isnt perfect.
That combined with the fact it can be shot from the enemy base is the problem. It is a no skill weapon which breaks that BR which is usually more about missile dogfights. It also forces most of the team that doesnt have and f14's to be very very evasive, which has a big effect on the outcome.
The reason its a huge pain is mainly that, there is no skill involved in it, and still it gives a huge advantage to one team, and often 1 of them take out 1-4 players within 3-4min of the game. So honestly, if you f14 players are missing it sounds more like a skill issue on your side since you people wanna bring out that card. Anyways now it will be changed since gaijin finally saw the issue with it. And yeah, its not a good solution but there has never been any good solutions, just more compression.

The reality is that you always have F-14s on both your team and the enemy's. Fakur or aim-54s have to be fired from a long distance of 20-30km, because they are ineffective at short distances. In other words, you just need to make a notch maneuver at the beginning and most of these missiles are fired. In other words, I don't think it should have a significant impact on one. The only problem is players who want to destroy the base and be the first. They don't like having to notch and lose their first position. Or if they don't notch, they will be destroyed. As I already wrote, I personally don't have a big problem with these missiles. I die very rarely from them. And if I die from them, it's often my fault. And I don't know why you're writing about skills when I wrote that I have no problem avoiding them, which means I don't play F-14s. I don't even have IRIAF. If I write that I have a problem with Fakur missiles, etc. does that mean that I have a problem with skills? A bit strange.

Besides, you didn't understand the point of my post. I wrote about the opposite side, that the F-14 will meet top tier machines like the F-15E, Eurofighter, Rafale, Gripen, etc. Doesn't that sound a bit too much like an aircraft from the 70s to you? :) The fact that BR 11.7 will not meet the F-14 IRIAF, that's fine, I have no problem with that. The aircraft tree simply needs to be more spread out in BR and the top tier should be at 14.7-15.0 in the current situation, not 13.7-14.0.
You must not be playing many other nations than the US then x)
Because playing many other nations often only face USA, and it causes a disadvantage.
They are hard to avoid with a bad RWR, once again. Most times you only have a warning in the last 5-10s before being hit. And even when notching, you still often get hit. I dont do bases, I do dogfights, so I dont care about being in the front. Now maybe its mainly because my RWR is not good, but 25% of the time I still get hit when notching, and imo its a pain in the ass knowing that the only thing the enemy did was launch a missile from across the map.
Yeah maybe the f-14's will struggle, but I doubt it, their missiles still have a higher range than everything else, so the main tactic for them will remain the same, unload a bunch of missiles, land, repeat.
Also you mention the age of the planes, but that missile is from 2011....sooo that kinda drops dead in the water.
Venom Feb 13 @ 7:29am 
Originally posted by Ducky:
Originally posted by Venom:

The reality is that you always have F-14s on both your team and the enemy's. Fakur or aim-54s have to be fired from a long distance of 20-30km, because they are ineffective at short distances. In other words, you just need to make a notch maneuver at the beginning and most of these missiles are fired. In other words, I don't think it should have a significant impact on one. The only problem is players who want to destroy the base and be the first. They don't like having to notch and lose their first position. Or if they don't notch, they will be destroyed. As I already wrote, I personally don't have a big problem with these missiles. I die very rarely from them. And if I die from them, it's often my fault. And I don't know why you're writing about skills when I wrote that I have no problem avoiding them, which means I don't play F-14s. I don't even have IRIAF. If I write that I have a problem with Fakur missiles, etc. does that mean that I have a problem with skills? A bit strange.

Besides, you didn't understand the point of my post. I wrote about the opposite side, that the F-14 will meet top tier machines like the F-15E, Eurofighter, Rafale, Gripen, etc. Doesn't that sound a bit too much like an aircraft from the 70s to you? :) The fact that BR 11.7 will not meet the F-14 IRIAF, that's fine, I have no problem with that. The aircraft tree simply needs to be more spread out in BR and the top tier should be at 14.7-15.0 in the current situation, not 13.7-14.0.
You must not be playing many other nations than the US then x)
Because playing many other nations often only face USA, and it causes a disadvantage.
They are hard to avoid with a bad RWR, once again. Most times you only have a warning in the last 5-10s before being hit. And even when notching, you still often get hit. I dont do bases, I do dogfights, so I dont care about being in the front. Now maybe its mainly because my RWR is not good, but 25% of the time I still get hit when notching, and imo its a pain in the ass knowing that the only thing the enemy did was launch a missile from across the map.
Yeah maybe the f-14's will struggle, but I doubt it, their missiles still have a higher range than everything else, so the main tactic for them will remain the same, unload a bunch of missiles, land, repeat.
Also you mention the age of the planes, but that missile is from 2011....sooo that kinda drops dead in the water.


I understand you, I'm just talking about the fact that I don't have a big problem with it if I'm aware that IRIAF are in the game. I'll always look at it and maybe BR. Besides, it doesn't matter if I play for the USA or not. The USA is almost always on both sides. And I don't know if you've played top tier 13.7-14.0, there the game play is in most cases the same as the F-14. With the difference that modern Fox 3s of the Aim-120 type, etc., are incomparably better than the Aim-54 or Fakur. Not to mention the performance of the aircraft where the F-15, Eurofighter, Rafale, etc. cannot even remotely compare to the F-14's performance. They reach much higher speeds much sooner, altitude in connection with the better Fox-3 missiles, the F-14 is a joke.
It's a Tomcat, the best jet ever built, so it's accurate and it can shoot you from 30km away
THE f-14 idf needs to be at 13.7 or well just keep seeing it at lower battleratings do to the glitchers
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