Delate Pzh. 2000 from BR 7.7

[Profinixl]

Range finder; 155 mm HE; Auto loader is TOOOO OP FOR 7.7

Update (Maybe its a problem too, that i find Pzh. 2000 to much in downtier)

[Ranold Arzenschwegger🕹]

Yes, it's best to weaken the Germans even further until they can't do anything anymore. So that the grandiose and indestructible Russian tanks, which resemble deities, finally get their well-deserved fame. The Germans should also only be allowed to shoot with cotton balls, so that they do not scratch the holy varnish of the Russian tanks. With 245 hours of play, you are the absolute technical expertise and you have been able to get a complete picture of all vehicles. NOT

[-NODER-_Novastorm_]

No

[Emberfogó Freeman]

It should go up in br, that's for sure. Germany mains can cry all they want, this vehicle is disgusting at its br if someone with a brain uses it (instead of your average Germany player). Germany is one of the easiest nations to play, especially from around 7.7 (yes, I played it, and I have Germany, Russia, France, Italy and Japan almost 100% researched, so I can compare it fairly).

The fact that it's so mobile and also has a range finder and autoloader makes it much much better than its equivalents, such as the Type 99 (the VIDAR may be an exception). Pzh2000 is an insanely good sniper, just because you lose a cqc fight with it, it doesn't make it not undertiered.

[TheAndyboy888]

I wonder how all those whiners are crying on the forums about the trollhaubitze, while things like M109A1, M109G, AuF1, Bkan, 2S3M etc. are "a while" in the game doing the same things the Panzerhaubitze also can do. Really...
LRF is not a big deal if you have some elementary skills in aiming howitzers.

Emberfogó Freeman の投稿を引用：

It should go up in br, that's for sure. Germany mains can cry all they want, this vehicle is disgusting at its br if someone with a brain uses it (instead of your average Germany player). Germany is one of the easiest nations to play, especially from around 7.7 (yes, I played it, and I have Germany, Russia, France, Italy and Japan almost 100% researched, so I can compare it fairly).

The fact that it's so mobile and also has a range finder and autoloader makes it much much better than its equivalents, such as the Type 99 (the VIDAR may be an exception). Pzh2000 is an insanely good sniper, just because you lose a cqc fight with it, it doesn't make it not undertiered.

LMAO XD
Germans the easiest to play at 7.7BR and above. This is some real bait

[Canadian Guitar]

I still can't believe it's lower than the Vidar

[Dogola]

*dilate

[Emberfogó Freeman]

TheAndyboy888 の投稿を引用：

LMAO XD
Germans the easiest to play at 7.7BR and above. This is some real bait

Just because you have trouble using your brain in battle, doesn't mean your tanks are bad. Of course, it's easier to cry and whine instead of trying to change tactics or getting better, more careful. Which vehicles do you have trouble with? Learn to use their strengths to your advantage, be it speed, firepower or both.
The Wiesel variants, PzH 2000, Leopard variants, DF105, Raketenautomat, Gepard variants, Begleitpanzer, KPz-70, T-72M1, TAM 2IP, Class 3 (P), Radkampfwagen, Boxer MGS and then the new OSA and Strela are all great vehicles. If you struggle playing these, I suggest you try a small nation and compare for yourself. Germany is one of the most handheld nations in the game.

[TheAndyboy888]

Emberfogó Freeman の投稿を引用：

TheAndyboy888 の投稿を引用：

LMAO XD
Germans the easiest to play at 7.7BR and above. This is some real bait

Just because you have trouble using your brain in battle, doesn't mean your tanks are bad. Of course, it's easier to cry and whine instead of trying to change tactics or getting better, more careful. Which vehicles do you have trouble with? Learn to use their strengths to your advantage, be it speed, firepower or both.
The Wiesel variants, PzH 2000, Leopard variants, DF105, Raketenautomat, Gepard variants, Begleitpanzer, KPz-70, T-72M1, TAM 2IP, Class 3 (P), Radkampfwagen, Boxer MGS and then the new OSA and Strela are all great vehicles. If you struggle playing these, I suggest you try a small nation and compare for yourself. Germany is one of the most handheld nations in the game.

Stop talking ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ dude.
Of course germans from the beginning up to 6.7BR are good. Strong tanks with strong guns and armor.
But above 7.0 up to 9.0BR their vehicles are ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. Every other nation is better at those BRs. After that their tanks are again good. But between 7.0-9.0BR they are just ♥♥♥♥ (exclusive some fun things like the panzerhaubitze or gepard or even the premium turm III).
The kpz-70 is a big ♥♥♥♥ thing with big gun but ♥♥♥♥ ammo and ♥♥♥♥ armor.
Same for the df105. You have cool mobility but it is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ big for a light/scout tank and it's gun isn't even mediocre with its ♥♥♥♥ HEAT ammo which is completely ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ at equal tiers and complete suffer at uptiers.
After that comes 9.3BR and up which is good.

Maybe you are the one having trouble using your brain and counter the panzerhaubitze which btw is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ big like a barn. I suggest you try it, it's really easy.

Btw, Msta is incoming next patch to pwn bots like you in battles. Bet you will also cry on forums about it

[Eila Deker]

could go to 8.0 but then its missing things like its Spall Liner and Ammo that it used like why does it have WW2 ammo but the way it is rn its okay but i find it funny that when certain nations have anything good everybody starts to cry its easy to kill or disable

[Emberfogó Freeman]

TheAndyboy888 の投稿を引用：

Stop talking ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ dude.
Of course germans from the beginning up to 6.7BR are good. Strong tanks with strong guns and armor.
But above 7.0 up to 9.0BR their vehicles are ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. Every other nation is better at those BRs. After that their tanks are again good. But between 7.0-9.0BR they are just ♥♥♥♥ (exclusive some fun things like the panzerhaubitze or gepard or even the premium turm III).
The kpz-70 is a big ♥♥♥♥ thing with big gun but ♥♥♥♥ ammo and ♥♥♥♥ armor.
Same for the df105. You have cool mobility but it is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ big for a light/scout tank and it's gun isn't even mediocre with its ♥♥♥♥ HEAT ammo which is completely ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ at equal tiers and complete suffer at uptiers.
After that comes 9.3BR and up which is good.

Maybe you are the one having trouble using your brain and counter the panzerhaubitze which btw is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ big like a barn. I suggest you try it, it's really easy.

Btw, Msta is incoming next patch to pwn bots like you in battles. Bet you will also cry on forums about it

Maybe try and stop lying, how about that?

I never said that I had trouble killing the pzh, I said it was disgusting if used correctly. No, running into a city with it and dying to trash tier IFVs is not "using it correctly". You are braindead if you are doing that, but I don't expect anything else based on your incoherent rambling. TAM2IP used to be 9.0 until very recently. Class 3 (P) is still 9.0, both are amazing. Many such cases. You have to learn to use the kpz and DF105, but I'm sure instead you just blame it on the ammo or whatever and move on. It's your choice, but it still doesn't mean they are bad vehicles. Treat the KPz and Leos more like a light tank, be careful, position well and shoot weakspots if necessary. It's easier to learn than to complain about "muh suffering nation", but I already know that Germany players never stop complaining. Only Russia is more handheld than Germany in the game, and they are both the easiest nations to play, but don't let that stop you from defending Germany with your life on online forums lmao.

Also, I was never angry at it, it's just undertiered, as I said (but I don't expect Gaijin to know how to balance the game at this point). In fact I always laugh or smile when a completely braindead Germany main rushes forward with their pzh just to die in seconds. Many such cases.
You, however seem pretty angry, throwing such a childish tantrum with all the cursewords you could fit in there. If this is how you reply to simple facts, I can't imagine how bad you must be in the game :)

And just to note: every similar "TD" is a barn, literally all of them. Just go ahead and try using the Type 99. Maybe you will see why the pzh warrants at least a slight br increase. Or maybe you won't, and you will think that 7.3 vs 7.7 is enough for these differences. But I doubt that you will be able to type anything sensible regardless of what you think and what the truth is.

[Damianus]

Just here to point out that Emberfogó gives huge neckbeard vibes lol.

[Emberfogó Freeman]

Damianus の投稿を引用：

Just here to point out that Emberfogó gives huge neckbeard vibes lol.

kek, if I used the swearwords I wanted to, I would be banned, besides, that wouldn't help with any of my points, would it?

[Jellyfrosh]

Yeah it's pretty cancer at 7.7

I would rather the Leopard get dropped to like 7.3 and this thing go up to 8.3

[RogueSoldier]

TheAndyboy888 の投稿を引用：

I wonder how all those whiners are crying on the forums about the trollhaubitze, while things like M109A1, M109G, AuF1, Bkan, 2S3M etc. are "a while" in the game doing the same things the Panzerhaubitze also can do. Really...
LRF is not a big deal if you have some elementary skills in aiming howitzers.

Emberfogó Freeman の投稿を引用：

It should go up in br, that's for sure. Germany mains can cry all they want, this vehicle is disgusting at its br if someone with a brain uses it (instead of your average Germany player). Germany is one of the easiest nations to play, especially from around 7.7 (yes, I played it, and I have Germany, Russia, France, Italy and Japan almost 100% researched, so I can compare it fairly).

The fact that it's so mobile and also has a range finder and autoloader makes it much much better than its equivalents, such as the Type 99 (the VIDAR may be an exception). Pzh2000 is an insanely good sniper, just because you lose a cqc fight with it, it doesn't make it not undertiered.

LMAO XD
Germans the easiest to play at 7.7BR and above. This is some real bait

I can't tell if this is bait or not.

Germany is the most hand held easiest nation to play, only held back by its incompetent playerbase.

[biomike]

Wow if only there was an arty at the same BR that had all of what the PzH had already and has been in the game longer. Oh wait there has been one, the PLZ05 and it gets a spall liner
Funny how nobody ever complains about that one.