PBV 302 (BILL) is way too high a BR

[Trexler ♤]

This thing should NOT be 8.7

Cons:
>No stabilizer for 20mm
>48mm pen at most with 20
>only 7 missiles (7 more if u use ammo box)
>lopsided turret so half of your depression is useless for the 20mm
>missiles rarely oneshot
>No armor and no survivability
>No scouting or artillery
>Can be ammoracked through ATGM
>Terrible reverse
>when using ATGM sight, limited traverse rate
>No LRF for cannon or for ATGM

Pros:
>Faster than IKV 91-105 (by a single mph..)
>Hull down is very hard to kill (If u dont shoot the ATGM)
>silent engine
>13 degrees of depression for ATGM (10 for gun)
>neutral steering? I guess?

why the ♥♥♥♥ does this ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ exist in the game at 8.7, this thing should go down to 8.0, even 7.7 it would be more balanced

[55]

no

[Trexler ♤]

Originally posted by 55:

no

yes

[Chikuwu]

idk its still part of my lineup for sweden, it can destroy any camping tank behind cover and only show ATGM at range with no chance of being shot at.

[Trexler ♤]

Originally posted by Chikuwu:

idk its still part of my lineup for sweden, it can destroy any camping tank behind cover and only show ATGM at range with no chance of being shot at.

i mean yeah, but then again, why is it at 8.7 when it doesnt carry enough missiles to kill more than 4 guys

[biomike]

Originally posted by Trexler ♤:

Originally posted by Chikuwu:

idk its still part of my lineup for sweden, it can destroy any camping tank behind cover and only show ATGM at range with no chance of being shot at.

i mean yeah, but then again, why is it at 8.7 when it doesnt carry enough missiles to kill more than 4 guys

If its taking you 3-4 ATGMs to kill one guy thats a skill issue bud, i can take tanks out all day long with 1-2 ATGMs

[Trexler ♤]

Originally posted by biomike:

Originally posted by Trexler ♤:

i mean yeah, but then again, why is it at 8.7 when it doesnt carry enough missiles to kill more than 4 guys

If its taking you 3-4 ATGMs to kill one guy thats a skill issue bud, i can take tanks out all day long with 1-2 ATGMs

top attack missiles dont overpressure most often times, and the damage is very lackluster. In the pbv u only carry 7 missiles not counting the ammo crate, so even if it takes only 2 hits, that cuts your kill potential down to only 3 kills at max

not to mention even if it oneshots against russian tanks alright, its still bad because of the cons listed, its hull down capabilites dont matter if they can shoot the launcher and instantly kill you

its capabilities do not justify the BR placement, as everything at its BR range is objectively better than it in every way, if it went down to 8.0, it could be more balanced. (assuming they dont boost the damage, which if they added overpressure if it hit the turret that would significantly help in making it better)

[Lt-AlphaFoxtrot]

Bruh, Top attack Tow-2B missile is criminally under-BR at 8.7. Usually, you can find these kind of missile at 10.0 above.

Do you have any idea how to use Tow-2B/BILL missile?? You literally an anti camper given they dont have any protection at the top of their tank while in youre safety of your cover. This is one of the reason why USSR mains have a grudge against sweds. Their T-72s trashed by these.

This vehicle has racked me high K/D ratio during my 8.7 Swed grind.

[Trexler ♤]

Originally posted by Lt-AlphaFoxtrot:

Bruh, Top attack Tow-2B missile is criminally under-BR at 8.7. Usually, you can find these kind of missile at 10.0 above.

Do you have any idea how to use Tow-2B/BILL missile?? You literally an anti camper given they dont have any protection at the top of their tank while in youre safety of your cover. This is one of the reason why USSR mains have a grudge against sweds. Their T-72s trashed by these.

This vehicle has racked me high K/D ratio during my 8.7 Swed grind.

actual CAP, this thing is garbage. Russian tanks rarely oneshot with top attack, the very few that do are t62's

[FederationPrime]

Originally posted by Trexler ♤:

Originally posted by Lt-AlphaFoxtrot:

Bruh, Top attack Tow-2B missile is criminally under-BR at 8.7. Usually, you can find these kind of missile at 10.0 above.

Do you have any idea how to use Tow-2B/BILL missile?? You literally an anti camper given they dont have any protection at the top of their tank while in youre safety of your cover. This is one of the reason why USSR mains have a grudge against sweds. Their T-72s trashed by these.

This vehicle has racked me high K/D ratio during my 8.7 Swed grind.

actual CAP, this thing is garbage. Russian tanks rarely oneshot with top attack, the very few that do are t62's

Very true, the BILL often fails to kill 2S38s and the later USSR MBTs because the HEAT jet produced loses almost all its damage by the time it reaches the floor of a tank, unless you fly it 2mm over the roof of a T-72s turret the HEAT jet will kill a single crewman or the breach, nothing else.

[Trexler ♤]

Originally posted by FederationPrime:

Originally posted by Trexler ♤:

actual CAP, this thing is garbage. Russian tanks rarely oneshot with top attack, the very few that do are t62's

Very true, the BILL often fails to kill 2S38s and the later USSR MBTs because the HEAT jet produced loses almost all its damage by the time it reaches the floor of a tank, unless you fly it 2mm over the roof of a T-72s turret the HEAT jet will kill a single crewman or the breach, nothing else.

if they made the BILL's do overpressure then it would be more balanced, but for now its garbage

[IRMcG]

Top attack missiles as mentioned which often cripple so your second shot (or the rare team-mate who isn't busy rushing off to die on the enemy spawn :P) will kill it at worst, plus if you use the ATGM sight you can hide pretty easily if you're careful. Granted you have a limited rotation angle then.

M113 TOW carriers are at 8.3, this thing's much better.

[Trexler ♤]

Originally posted by IRMcG:

Top attack missiles as mentioned which often cripple so your second shot (or the rare team-mate who isn't busy rushing off to die on the enemy spawn :P) will kill it at worst, plus if you use the ATGM sight you can hide pretty easily if you're careful. Granted you have a limited rotation angle then.

M113 TOW carriers are at 8.3, this thing's much better.

not really, as m113 TOWS hit center mass, often oneshotting the tank, top attacks rarely oneshot

[Chikuwu]

Im just gonna say skill issue. I still have the vehicle in my 11.3 swedish lineup xD its anti-camper capabilities to overshoot hills is trolly.

[Kay]

Originally posted by Trexler ♤:

Originally posted by IRMcG:

Top attack missiles as mentioned which often cripple so your second shot (or the rare team-mate who isn't busy rushing off to die on the enemy spawn :P) will kill it at worst, plus if you use the ATGM sight you can hide pretty easily if you're careful. Granted you have a limited rotation angle then.

M113 TOW carriers are at 8.3, this thing's much better.

not really, as m113 TOWS hit center mass, often oneshotting the tank, top attacks rarely oneshot

But top attacks can be fired over cover, including if your target is fully behind cover, and still kill.

They can also bypass frontal ERA.

[TheAndyboy888]

Originally posted by Trexler ♤:

This thing should NOT be 8.7
why the ♥♥♥♥ does this ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ exist in the game at 8.7, this thing should go down to 8.0, even 7.7 it would be more balanced

You're joking right?