Theres no way on earth french tanks are this good, its improbable

[Lancebringer]

If the french were this good at designing tanks that are better armored, autoloaded, and faster than any tank we could ever produce, you'd think the ENTIRE world would have copied them.

Which tells me Gaijin has them programmed with incorrect values, because no military on earth would turn down the speed, accuracy, precision, and perfect armament of the french tanks.

[50Fathoms]

erm, every modern tank is modeled after the Renault FT 17. So, yes. The entire world has copied them.

[DeusExLuka]

Now we know for a fact you have to be clown farming if you are going to suggest France is OP.

[Canadian Guitar]

Originally posted by Lancebringer:

If the french were this good at designing tanks that are better armored, autoloaded, and faster than any tank we could ever produce, you'd think the ENTIRE world would have copied them.

Which tells me Gaijin has them programmed with incorrect values, because no military on earth would turn down the speed, accuracy, precision, and perfect armament of the french tanks.

Maybe try vehicles of different nations for yourself.
You'll see first hand that every vehicle and nation has it's strengths...
And they all have their weaknesses too.

[Lancebringer]

Every match the AMX and Somua players have a minimum of 5 kills each with maybe 1 death, it doesnt even have to hit your tank, it can be over the horizon with prox detonation, that has killed me probably the most.

My US tanks have a minimum 18 second reload, this is with MAX level reload speed in 8.3 tanks

Which means that IF i get a kill shot (which I usually dont because heat rounds [the ONLY ROUNDS I HAVE] are useless for some reason now, then the next guy can just push and hit me 5 times or more before i can reload.

Yes, its op as ♥♥♥♥.

And no, its not modeled off the ft17, nice try though.

If that was the case than every projectile weapon ever made is modeled off the atl-atl, and we all know youre not that dumb to make those leaps

Also, protection analysis shows that even in my heavy tanks, theres not a place on my tank they cannot pen

[50Fathoms]

I would suggest you´d read a bit about tank development history. Especially france.

[Lancebringer]

Originally posted by Fifty Fathoms:

I would suggest you´d read a bit about tank development history. Especially france.

The abrams and leopard arent based off any french design.

Basing the entirety of tanks off the ww2 renault is like basing every single weapon ever made off its first iteration. Thats not how this works

Also, by that logic, Continental owns ALL tire and wheel development ever, as they created the modern system, but yet we know that's not how it works.

Stop being anachronistic, thats not how it works, the wright brothers are no more responsible for the f18 as the french are for the m1 abrams.

Thats not how anything works

[j.yellow28]

Originally posted by Lancebringer:

Every match the AMX and Somua players have a minimum of 5 kills each with maybe 1 death, it doesnt even have to hit your tank, it can be over the horizon with prox detonation, that has killed me probably the most.

My US tanks have a minimum 18 second reload, this is with MAX level reload speed in 8.3 tanks

Which means that IF i get a kill shot (which I usually dont because heat rounds [the ONLY ROUNDS I HAVE] are useless for some reason now, then the next guy can just push and hit me 5 times or more before i can reload.

Yes, its op as ♥♥♥♥.

And no, its not modeled off the ft17, nice try though.

If that was the case than every projectile weapon ever made is modeled off the atl-atl, and we all know youre not that dumb to make those leaps

Also, protection analysis shows that even in my heavy tanks, theres not a place on my tank they cannot pen

U only describe 2 powerfull tanks at there Br and the rest of the french tanks dont shine as much. every nation has this trend with some kind of tank. Yes these tanks are good but other tanks can still beat them and they have there own strugles.

[Canadian Guitar]

Originally posted by Lancebringer:

Every match the AMX and Somua players have a minimum of 5 kills each with maybe 1 death, it doesnt even have to hit your tank, it can be over the horizon with prox detonation, that has killed me probably the most.

No AMX or Somua has proxy ammo.
You don't even understand what you're complaining about.

[50Fathoms]

Originally posted by Lancebringer:

Originally posted by Fifty Fathoms:

I would suggest you´d read a bit about tank development history. Especially france.

The abrams and leopard arent based off any french design.

Basing the entirety of tanks off the ww2 renault is like basing every single weapon ever made off its first iteration. Thats not how this works

Oh my... Do they have a turret and encircling tracks? No? That comes from the FT 17. Before that, there were only clumsy Schneiders, A7Vs, and Willies. All tanks are still built today in the way of the FT 17. The French developed this design. srsly...

[Eftwyrd]

Originally posted by Lancebringer:

Originally posted by Fifty Fathoms:

I would suggest you´d read a bit about tank development history. Especially france.

The abrams and leopard arent based off any french design.

Basing the entirety of tanks off the ww2 renault is like basing every single weapon ever made off its first iteration. Thats not how this works

Also, by that logic, Continental owns ALL tire and wheel development ever, as they created the modern system, but yet we know that's not how it works.

Stop being anachronistic, thats not how it works, the wright brothers are no more responsible for the f18 as the french are for the m1 abrams.

Thats not how anything works

Look up the europanzer project. A joint German French tank development project that gave birth to the leopard and amx30

Then a few years later the joint German and US MBT70 project. Building off existing experience which ultimately resulted in the leopard2 and Abrams

Most western tanks are related when you get down to it

For someone who frequently claims to have worked for the DoD and have access to ‘sekrit documents’ you are remarkably poorly informed

[Lancebringer]

Originally posted by Canadian Guitar:

Originally posted by Lancebringer:

Every match the AMX and Somua players have a minimum of 5 kills each with maybe 1 death, it doesnt even have to hit your tank, it can be over the horizon with prox detonation, that has killed me probably the most.

No AMX or Somua has proxy ammo.
You don't even understand what you're complaining about.

Youre right, i dont have the time nor concern to be fluent in 100% of the vehicles, I SWEAR its one of those, maybe its some ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ field artillery, i dont ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ know. All I know is, MY BEST AMMO cant one shot most tanks unless my aim IS THE PINNACLE OF PERFECTION!

Their tanks? EVERY kill shot is some random part of the tank, they dont hit ammo, they barely hit my crew, and they can kill an entire team before they can think about what happened because a 1 second reload with better armor/guns/penetration/mobility/speed is somehow the same BR as my ♥♥♥♥.

The real somua NEVER ONCE MOVED OR FIRED, NEVERMIND UNDER ITS OWN POWER, IT NEVER EVER EVER EVER HAD AN ENGINE, yet in game, its faster than my lightest fastest tank at the same br, and it has more armor, larger gun, autoloading, and probably laser range finder. yet. somehow all of that, is "the samesies" as my tanks, which are slow, barely maneuverable, 3times as long as a reload as the common tank on the enemy side, yet im forced to believe that its equal?

Please explain how a tank with faster acceleration, faster weapon adjustment rates, autoloader, faster top speed, thicker armor, MORE armor overall, im not sure about Laser range finder, better penetration, higher velocity ammunition, is rated the same or lower BR as US tanks?

Every nation I come across somehow has faster tanks, thats despite us recording and publshing the fact our tanks were doing 50mph even in ww2, yet im limited to 25 or less mph. My fastest scout vehicles do 33 mph or so (I use knots because im primarily air because ground has some serious imbalances, hell air does too, who gives the inventor of the sidewinder the last access to it and denies it to all its aircraft despite real world pictures of them having it????, what backwards ♥♥♥♥ is that?, rhetorical, its WT, theyre anti american, its why my 1950s jets and tanks fight ♥♥♥♥ from the 70s 80s, and even 2012, lets not get into the f18 with 80s loadouts fighting the new jet from VERY recent history on RU Side. Guess the only way to balance the USA is to keep them 20-30 years behind the rest of the nations

[Lancebringer]

Originally posted by Game star:

Originally posted by Lancebringer:

Guess the only way to balance the USA is to keep them 20-30 years behind the rest of the nations

We are the most powerful country in the entire world. Of course thats true. it is the literal ONLY way for the game to be slightly balanced. if the USA was accurate, they would win every single top tier match. period.

No offence to other country's, but the USA spends a ton of the military.

Take it as a complement, to know your country is the best. (Militarily.)

Well, im aware, especially as a navy veteran and aircraft engineer whos worked at China Lake and Redstone Arsenal, but in a game id like them to balance it properly

[Lancebringer]

Originally posted by Game star:

Originally posted by Lancebringer:

Well, im aware, especially as a navy veteran and aircraft engineer whos worked at China Lake and Redstone Arsenal, but in a game id like them to balance it properly

Well I dont know what else to say, then. Also, if your not making that up, thanks for your service. or your lying. I dont know, or care.

Why would I make that up, I'm just giving a "why i know first hand" sort of thing.
And youre welcome

[Legion]

Originally posted by Game star:

Originally posted by Lancebringer:

Guess the only way to balance the USA is to keep them 20-30 years behind the rest of the nations

We are the most powerful country in the entire world. Of course thats true. it is the literal ONLY way for the game to be slightly balanced. if the USA was accurate, they would win every single top tier match. period.

No offence to other country's, but the USA spends a ton of the military.

Take it as a complement, to know your country is the best. (Militarily.)

I'd ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ hope so lmao, the US spends ridiculous amounts on their military budget Military budget 2023 stats[www.statista.com]. The USA was the highest spender of 2023 with 900 billion $ spent, China in 2nd with just under 300billion and Russia in 3rd with 109 billion spent lol...

If the game was truly realistic sure going against the US at top tier/'modern day' would be a painful experience due to 'everything else' that comes with their ground vehicles etc lol..

[50Fathoms]

Originally posted by Lancebringer:

Originally posted by Game star:

We are the most powerful country in the entire world. Of course thats true. it is the literal ONLY way for the game to be slightly balanced. if the USA was accurate, they would win every single top tier match. period.

No offence to other country's, but the USA spends a ton of the military.

Take it as a complement, to know your country is the best. (Militarily.)

Well, im aware, especially as a navy veteran and aircraft engineer whos worked at China Lake and Redstone Arsenal, but in a game id like them to balance it properly

Sure, you are aware. just like Northern Korean soldiers, Russians, Germans or basically any other one that served and was told to believe. ´till they got kicked their asses.

Anyway. The the lack of knowledge that France is an important nation in tank construction that actually builds excellent models in your initial post and considering the FT 17 a WW2 tank, as well as claiming that US tanks could do 50mph in WW2, in fact some could, on streets, but then they had no armor, shows that you should really educate yourself first before creating such rage posts here. Look that stuff up on google first. Unless you don't mind embarrassing yourself continuously.