Why is Russian tank so stronger than other nations in same tier?

[Robbie Neng]

Or even Russian tank in lower tier, it shoots other upper tier down easier in one shot
so fantastic!!!

Russian tank is treated as spacial one?

[Калинка]

Aight, so there is already a kind of thread about this. And the Russian tanks arent stronger than other nations at their tier.

There are things that they are better at, and are worse at. Same for all nations.

[Ranold Arzenschwegger🕹]

It's a Russian game. Unfortunately, this is the case and gaijin has no interest in a realistic representation of the tanks or historical accuracy. It's all about glorifying the Russian nation.

if it were realistic, then a Leopard 2 could not be destroyed head-on by a T-90, for example. Gaijin generally adds weakspots to all other nations that do not correspond to reality and reinforces the Russian models with armor or ERA reactive armor. However, the fact that the ERA does not work in practice is ignored by gaijin.

Also, anti-tank missiles of all other nations are enormously weakened. The Spikes and the TOW-2, for example, would 100% detonate a Russian tank immediately on the first hit. In the game, however, this only happens in the rarest of cases. Most rockets do no or very little damage. But if a BMP-2 hits a Leopard 2 A7, it will explode immediately in the game. There is a system behind it. But many don't want to admit it. That's really sad.

[Калинка]

Ranold Arzenschwegger🕹 původně napsal:

It's a Russian game. Unfortunately, this is the case and gaijin has no interest in a realistic representation of the tanks or historical accuracy. It's all about glorifying the Russian nation.

if it were realistic, then a Leopard 2 could not be destroyed head-on by a T-90, for example. Gaijin generally adds weakspots to all other nations that do not correspond to reality and reinforces the Russian models with armor or ERA reactive armor. However, the fact that the ERA does not work in practice is ignored by gaijin.

Also, anti-tank missiles of all other nations are enormously weakened. The Spikes and the TOW-2, for example, would 100% detonate a Russian tank immediately on the first hit. In the game, however, this only happens in the rarest of cases. Most rockets do no or very little damage. But if a BMP-2 hits a Leopard 2 A7, it will explode immediately in the game. There is a system behind it. But many don't want to admit it. That's really sad.

Interesting take...
Wrong, but interesting. But considering youre another one of those "muh russian bias" posters....who ignores the actual explanations people have brought up and seem to block anyone who doesnt follow your baseless claims. Tells me, and everyone else, that you arent to be listened to. You just want people to follow blindly behind you, and your baseless accusations.

the "im right, because I say so." mentality. Never is any evidence provided, that is actually solid. At best its usually data that has alot of factors incorporated into the final data. Or the other thing, that is usually what happens 90% of the time. "Trust me bro. I know, therefore it is fact."

Many things happen in the game, that occurs for every nation, that people can equate to some "bias". But people like you, only tunnel vision and focus on 1 of those nations...sometimes 2, if you are extra bias yourself.

Most of these "bias" claims are ill-informed, bias opinions, or have another purpose behind it, that are usually not accepting they made a mistake. Or the thought process "Everything Russian = bad" mentality.

[DeusExLuka]

同志 původně napsal:

Ranold Arzenschwegger🕹 původně napsal:

It's a Russian game. Unfortunately, this is the case and gaijin has no interest in a realistic representation of the tanks or historical accuracy. It's all about glorifying the Russian nation.

if it were realistic, then a Leopard 2 could not be destroyed head-on by a T-90, for example. Gaijin generally adds weakspots to all other nations that do not correspond to reality and reinforces the Russian models with armor or ERA reactive armor. However, the fact that the ERA does not work in practice is ignored by gaijin.

Also, anti-tank missiles of all other nations are enormously weakened. The Spikes and the TOW-2, for example, would 100% detonate a Russian tank immediately on the first hit. In the game, however, this only happens in the rarest of cases. Most rockets do no or very little damage. But if a BMP-2 hits a Leopard 2 A7, it will explode immediately in the game. There is a system behind it. But many don't want to admit it. That's really sad.

Interesting take...
Wrong, but interesting. But considering youre another one of those "muh russian bias" posters....who ignores the actual explanations people have brought up and seem to block anyone who doesnt follow your baseless claims. Tells me, and everyone else, that you arent to be listened to. You just want people to follow blindly behind you, and your baseless accusations.

the "im right, because I say so." mentality. Never is any evidence provided, that is actually solid. At best its usually data that has alot of factors incorporated into the final data. Or the other thing, that is usually what happens 90% of the time. "Trust me bro. I know, therefore it is fact."

Many things happen in the game, that occurs for every nation, that people can equate to some "bias". But people like you, only tunnel vision and focus on 1 of those nations...sometimes 2, if you are extra bias yourself.

Most of these "bias" claims are ill-informed, bias opinions, or have another purpose behind it, that are usually not accepting they made a mistake. Or the thought process "Everything Russian = bad" mentality.

The guy makes one or two huge threads every month about Germany being underpowered and the vehicles being too high a BR. Doesn't really take much more than that to have him figured out.

[Tankoslav Tepyatdesyatpyatovich]

Ranold Arzenschwegger🕹 původně napsal:

But many don't want to admit it. That's really sad.

It's extremely hard to admit something if it only exists in your head tho. Like ERA being useless irl, T-90 not being able to do anything to Leopard 2 irl, BMP-2 one-tapping Leo 2A7, in-game, the existence of a mysterious 'Russian nation' and its glorification by the devs...could you please represent some verified concepts first so we can have a chance to admit something that has evidence to it being real?

[Alpedo]

sadly yes russian high tier tanks most likely cannot get killed from front and this makes this russian tanks stronger than other trees. russian front armor>german flanking sadly

[Beast of War]

Well IRL the Russian tanks never lacked gun power and contrary to popular believe were better then the German ones in WWII - and still have larger guns the Western counterparts today - but they had lower accuracy and in WWII limited communication outside the tank.

Since tanks IRL do not operate on their own like in WT but are accompanied by motorized infantry and the Russians used them in mass ( at some point in time they accumulated 13.000 of them older and new against only a few thousand Western ones ) less accuracy was not very troubling.

In the current active war modern Western tanks ( although not in their latest upgrade condition ) are destroyed by T64, T72 and T90 tanks by cannon hits, all filmed by drones I'd say the Russians applied upgrades too and accuracy seems to be well improved as these encounters were 1:1, a rarity in a war where tanks are used. Today it is all about getting the first shot in, and hit the target. ( thermal and visual ) concealment being much more important then anything else. The one caught driving in the open often the one that gets destroyed.

Now the latter seems familiar in game no ?

[APhone]

Ranold Arzenschwegger🕹 původně napsal:

It's a Russian game. Unfortunately, this is the case and gaijin has no interest in a realistic representation of the tanks or historical accuracy. It's all about glorifying the Russian nation.

if it were realistic, then a Leopard 2 could not be destroyed head-on by a T-90, for example. Gaijin generally adds weakspots to all other nations that do not correspond to reality and reinforces the Russian models with armor or ERA reactive armor. However, the fact that the ERA does not work in practice is ignored by gaijin.

Also, anti-tank missiles of all other nations are enormously weakened. The Spikes and the TOW-2, for example, would 100% detonate a Russian tank immediately on the first hit. In the game, however, this only happens in the rarest of cases. Most rockets do no or very little damage. But if a BMP-2 hits a Leopard 2 A7, it will explode immediately in the game. There is a system behind it. But many don't want to admit it. That's really sad.

Alpedo původně napsal:

sadly yes russian high tier tanks most likely cannot get killed from front and this makes this russian tanks stronger than other trees. russian front armor>german flanking sadly

You guys must be joking because USSR and China tanks are the only ones in the game who reliably die when hit in the gun breach or lower panel or driver hatch or 1° track shot. And the only ones who store TNT in the fuel tanks. (Maybe french ones does that too but at least french can drive leo)

2025-03-19 Ground frags per battle:
T-90M - 1.96
Leo-2a7 - 2.94
Italian Leo - 3.46
ARIETE(!) - 2.9
Abrams m1a2sep (worst tank in the game by redditors opinion) - 2.3

Not to mention that USSR top tier tanks are covered with the best AA and the best strike aircraft in the game right now yet they still show the worst results in terms of k/d.

[BOLINHA DE GORFE]

I main Russia and i don't feel all that strong, maybe you should look at the wakspots in the protection analysis.

[TH3H4\/0K]

Yes :)

[Donut]

I don't think there's a genuine "russian bias" though i do think alot of the tanks throughout their tree that seems extremely strong for its B.R especially when you take into account the player skill of both sides

Recently i had three friends come to the war thunder game without any experience on the community or the game itself (so fresh perspective and untained by the russian bias movement)

Player A: played britian, found that for some reason they could pen everything but it would take MULTIPLE shots just to kill one tank (solid shot for you) and so i told him maybe try another nation as solid shot is britians main ammunition evidentally, He tried Germany and said that thet felt slow and squishy and that he found difficulty penning russian tanks specifically the T-series line ups, and stated "if im in a tank destroyer and shoot a tank on the flat (unangled) side then i don't care what it is, it should go through, why the hell are my shell shattering" which i mean fair point honestly, And thus he grew wary that russian tanks seem suspiciously strong

Player B: Went with Sweden (The people of his country) Said they were great because they reload so quick but felt like he was dying every 10 seconds to machineguns from inside A TANK, told him to play them more like snipers, I proceeded to watch him die in numerous medium tanks by basic 50 cals from ages away, he moved to Japan and ironically had the same issue but noticed despite him having AMAZING guns on japan, he struggled against USSR tanks again specifically the T-34 and KV series and had screenshared me multiple clips of shooting them dead in the side turret only for it to ricochet or do nothing, Told him to check progectile analysis and he said that he did, and that the shell should have killed him, i told him to show me EXACTLY where her shot (with any angles included) and yes the shell didn't pen despite the analysis saying it could, he moved to Italy and decided to become the meme player on the group

Player C: played France but felt squishy and disliked the tanks overall, he played Sweden but same issue, moved to USA and found them extremely dull and boring, Moved to UUSR to find that he was doing really really well in his games and said "Out of all the factions i played, Russian feels so broken and ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ they have no idea how easy they have it" a new player coming 1st-4th place every game and laughing quite loudly multiple times that he would have up to 3-4 players shooting him at once and no one actually able to kill him, And i'd just watch him slowly kill each one of them while sitting in the open

Nowadays both players A and B have quit the game due to the feeling of major unbalance between the factions specifically russia, they got to about 6.7 before the feeling of "russian bias" had fully sinked in, Player C still plays though he strictly only plays USSR ground as "the other factions are ♥♥♥♥", As someone who has been playing for awhile, I find it very very interesting that even new players who are completely outside this community came to the conclusion on their own that russia just seems way too strong and if the new player experience of others is anything like these guys then its definately a bit of an issue (probably for sure a skill issue, but still an issue) while again i don't think there's actual russian bias, i do think they are quite strong across the board especially their medium-heavy line ups

[Eftwyrd]

Your average newbie with no knowledge about how to actually operate a tank acts like an untrained concept

Russian tanks are designed for poorly trained conscripts

Play a western tank designed for use by professional soldiers in the same manner you would a Russian tank and of course it does worse

Once you get some actual experience under your belt and learn their strengths and weaknesses other nations vehicles are more than a match

My best performance is typically in US light tanks for flanking, or German for long range engagement with their fantastic guns. what russians do well is charging into short range brawls and there is only so far skill takes in you such a situation if your opponent has more than a couple of brain cells to rub together

These arguments typically devolve into ‘but being easier to play does make them better’ which is just so much hot air. The difference is like a warrior and a wizard in an rpg. Sure it’s easier to run in and hit things but being harder to play does not make a glass cannon wizard any less good even if fewer people can actually make it work

[Resident NATO Freedom Enjoyer]

The only 'Russian Bias' nowadays is in their content. They get the most attention despite other nations having plenty that could/need to be added. There also is an inherent bias in some bugfixing, as things like the T-34 went ignored for actual years with things like the drivers hatch being broken in it's favor.

However Russian tanks are not hard to kill, and I find that high tier russian tanks save for heavies are easier to kill than many American or German counterparts. I can shoot an Abrams LFP and maybe kill it sometimes, but usually just disable it. However a Russian tank will light up the sky, thanks to the idiotic ammo placement.

[Glorified Badass]

"Test results from T80BVM vs Leopard 2A6 in custom battles. Both tanks used best apfsds rounds
and had full ammo. Shot distance 300m. Each testing tank receive I shot and if the tank doesn’t die, the player J out.

If you call bs and don’t believe me, do the experiment yourself.

DM53 vs T80BVM middle lower plate: 15 attempts, 86% first shot kill rate

DM53 vs T80BVM side, center of mass right below turret (passing right through ammo storage area): 23 attempts, 48% first shot kill rate!!!
.

Only 1 broken breach from tests where bvm survived first shot in the experiment above. All injured bvm can still shoot back since the lack of spall caused breach and turret ring to be undamaged.

3BM60 vs Leopard middle of hull: 9 tests, 0% first shot kill rate

Every of the 9 test resulted in at least 1 crew member death and a destroyed engine. 7/9 times the leopard was unable to shoot back due to damaged turret ring or breach.

3BM60 vs Leopard ammo area: 11 tests, 90.1% first shot kill rate

3BM60 vs Leopard side right below turret: 14 tests, 79% first shot kill rate

How come T80BVM has a 52% survival rate while Leopard 2A6 has 9.9% when shot In the ammo? The T80BVM is 5x more likely to survive a shot through a fully loaded ammo rack than the Leopard. The BVM can still shoot back while the leopard can’t.

The reason the leopard survived middle of hull shot is the sheer emptiness in the middle of the hull. Every test for “3BM60 vs Leopard middle of hull” resulted in a severely damaged leopard, with (21.7%) of the time the leopard being able to shoot back. The BVM can shoot back 11/12 (92%) of the times during the same experiment.

Leopard 2a6 early 2000
T80bvm 2021
There is less time between the Maus vs T28 (soviet land ship) than the time between t80bvm vs leopard 2a6
Russian bias at its finest. Russia needs to fight NATO tanks 20-40 years its senior to stand a chance. Only in Russian games and Russia win against NATO."

Not to mention that the spalling issue with the USSR T-34's about a couple months ago. Pretty sure that's pretty hard to unintentionally mess up. Lets even throw in the fact that the entire turret basket of the M1 series and Leopard 2 series has been counted as part of the horizontal drive. (Which it does not, but NATO vehicles have a tendency to get the short end of the ♥♥♥♥ stick). Not to mention the ability to orbital bombard at top tier with Russian planes.

[BlackWolf9988]

another day another muh russian bias post