T80BVM made of paper or something?

[Krazykov]

So I finally made it to 12.0 got myself T80BVM that I heard good things about, using backups I've smashed out about 10+ games with it. Conclusion: this is worse than a light tank when it comes to survivability, what the hell is this Rus bias I heard rumours about, where is it? haha, or was this rubbish nerfed into the ground by the time I got to it? Literally every single death has been 1 shot death, and most from the front where it supposed to take a hit or two, I haven't bounced a single thing (any angle, any part of the tank) Anything and everything can 1 shot kill T80BVM, me on the other hand I had to shoot some tanks 5 times to destroy them. There was a Swedish Strv 122B that just wouldn't die at all, nothing would pen it. Clickbait somehow took 3 shots from the side and still lived at one point. So sick and tired with this disappointing sorry excuse of a tech tree...

The only good thing about T80BVM so far is that the mobility is pretty good, and PRAISE JESUS it can actually reverse slightly faster than a baby crawling on the ground...

Yeah yeah skill issue/get gud "insert some bs" whatever, Rus MBT's are pure poop on tracks.

[QUANTUM MECHANICS c000021a]

Still better then M1A2 SEP2 if you know how to use it...

[Shyue Chou]

Frontally, the weak spots are small and hard to target. Personally, I don't like it. My T-90M has a better record than my T-80BVM. However, I use them for sniping mainly.

[Krazykov]

Originally posted by Shyue Chou:

Frontally, the weak spots are small and hard to target. Personally, I don't like it. My T-90M has a better record than my T-80BVM. However, I use them for sniping mainly.

Yeah T-90M looks pretty cool but don't know if I will bother researching it or using, I just cant bare the fact that a top tier vehicle only has 4km/hr reverse speed, its incomprehensible and whatever engineering designed Russian transmissions needs instant Gulag. What a joke...

[Krazykov]

Originally posted by QUANTUM MECHANICS c000021a:

Still better then M1A2 SEP2 if you know how to use it...

Abrams are dope imo, all around way better vehicles in every way.

[-NODER-_Novastorm_]

Its the best Russia mbt for me , i love it over any other mbt russians have....

[whatdoesthisbuttondo?]

Originally posted by -NODER-_Novastorm_:

Its the best Russia mbt for me , i love it over any other mbt russians have....

Same, but that really is because it is the only decent one they have at top tier.

[Qu Rahn]

Originally posted by Krazykov:

So I finally made it to 12.0 got myself T80BVM that I heard good things about, using backups I've smashed out about 10+ games with it. Conclusion: this is worse than a light tank when it comes to survivability, what the hell is this Rus bias I heard rumours about, where is it? haha, or was this rubbish nerfed into the ground by the time I got to it? Literally every single death has been 1 shot death, and most from the front where it supposed to take a hit or two, I haven't bounced a single thing (any angle, any part of the tank) Anything and everything can 1 shot kill T80BVM, me on the other hand I had to shoot some tanks 5 times to destroy them. There was a Swedish Strv 122B that just wouldn't die at all, nothing would pen it. Clickbait somehow took 3 shots from the side and still lived at one point. So sick and tired with this disappointing sorry excuse of a tech tree...

The only good thing about T80BVM so far is that the mobility is pretty good, and PRAISE JESUS it can actually reverse slightly faster than a baby crawling on the ground...

Yeah yeah skill issue/get gud "insert some bs" whatever, Rus MBT's are pure poop on tracks.

Sorry to say, but if you grinded all to the way because of "russian bias", you're late to the party.

Russia was the top dog many patches ago. People would argue it had an unending supply of backup vehicles (although I hold the position that it was helicopters that made the Russian lineup dominate, as the ground units were worse peer-to-peer, with maybe the BVM being the exception), anyhow, post Sweden introduction, that was no longer the case.
122s had everything: armor, mobility, firepower, minor nation. Subsequent patches brought more lineup choices to everyone, and basically everyone but can bring many top tier capable MBTs, IFVs, SPAAs, planes, helis. Then 2A7s, DM53 for all Leopards, 600+ pen rounds started becoming common, better CAS, helicopter module nerf, etc.
Russia DID have a long run dominating top tier, though, that can't really be denied.

Last patch Russia got the SU34 which is a darn good CAS (although everyone has broken CAS these days), but, as of this X-mas, I'm feeling the teams are massively worse because of the influx of T80UE1s -- worse than Clickbait teams, which tbh I expected to happen, precisely because of the laughable reverse & gun depression. Russian bias really only goes as far as playing those vehicles yourself. Then you start appreciating what -40 km/h reverse coupled with -10 depression does for your gameplay, nevermind the previous T-72/80s versions with lulz 4 deg/sec vertical traverse and lulz 20 deg/sec turret rotation, that abysmal gun handling DOES get you killed.

As far the BVM goes:
The only change that happened to it is the autoloader module being added as a damageable component, all the rest is the same and has not been touched since its introduction.

It's a T80 with better ERA, slightly slower because of the armor package, but a much needed buff to gun handling in the form of traverse speeds. Side Relikt will glitch out and eat shots from time to time, can't complain on it being weak tbh.

Reverse is still bad, depression is questionable, penetrating hits will kill you because of the packed 3 crew, same weakspots, and all the other shortcomings that you already saw all the way from the T-64s.

Personally, I think it's the only good vehicle for RU at top tier, the T90M mobility leaves MUCH to be desired, the gun depression angle being worse also hits it pretty bad, and the reload is the slowest of all top tier MBTs. IMO the T-72 line holds a candle to the T-80 one.

[Betrayer]

Originally posted by Qu Rahn:

Originally posted by Krazykov:

So I finally made it to 12.0 got myself T80BVM that I heard good things about, using backups I've smashed out about 10+ games with it. Conclusion: this is worse than a light tank when it comes to survivability, what the hell is this Rus bias I heard rumours about, where is it? haha, or was this rubbish nerfed into the ground by the time I got to it? Literally every single death has been 1 shot death, and most from the front where it supposed to take a hit or two, I haven't bounced a single thing (any angle, any part of the tank) Anything and everything can 1 shot kill T80BVM, me on the other hand I had to shoot some tanks 5 times to destroy them. There was a Swedish Strv 122B that just wouldn't die at all, nothing would pen it. Clickbait somehow took 3 shots from the side and still lived at one point. So sick and tired with this disappointing sorry excuse of a tech tree...

The only good thing about T80BVM so far is that the mobility is pretty good, and PRAISE JESUS it can actually reverse slightly faster than a baby crawling on the ground...

Yeah yeah skill issue/get gud "insert some bs" whatever, Rus MBT's are pure poop on tracks.

Sorry to say, but if you grinded all to the way because of "russian bias", you're late to the party.

Russia was the top dog many patches ago. People would argue it had an unending supply of backup vehicles (although I hold the position that it was helicopters that made the Russian lineup dominate, as the ground units were worse peer-to-peer, with maybe the BVM being the exception), anyhow, post Sweden introduction, that was no longer the case.
122s had everything: armor, mobility, firepower, minor nation. Subsequent patches brought more lineup choices to everyone, and basically everyone but can bring many top tier capable MBTs, IFVs, SPAAs, planes, helis. Then 2A7s, DM53 for all Leopards, 600+ pen rounds started becoming common, better CAS, helicopter module nerf, etc.
Russia DID have a long run dominating top tier, though, that can't really be denied.

Last patch Russia got the SU34 which is a darn good CAS (although everyone has broken CAS these days), but, as of this X-mas, I'm feeling the teams are massively worse because of the influx of T80UE1s -- worse than Clickbait teams, which tbh I expected to happen, precisely because of the laughable reverse & gun depression. Russian bias really only goes as far as playing those vehicles yourself. Then you start appreciating what -40 km/h reverse coupled with -10 depression does for your gameplay, nevermind the previous T-72/80s versions with lulz 4 deg/sec vertical traverse and lulz 20 deg/sec turret rotation, that abysmal gun handling DOES get you killed.

As far the BVM goes:
The only change that happened to it is the autoloader module being added as a damageable component, all the rest is the same and has not been touched since its introduction.

It's a T80 with better ERA, slightly slower because of the armor package, but a much needed buff to gun handling in the form of traverse speeds. Side Relikt will glitch out and eat shots from time to time, can't complain on it being weak tbh.

Reverse is still bad, depression is questionable, penetrating hits will kill you because of the packed 3 crew, same weakspots, and all the other shortcomings that you already saw all the way from the T-64s.

Personally, I think it's the only good vehicle for RU at top tier, the T90M mobility leaves MUCH to be desired, the gun depression angle being worse also hits it pretty bad, and the reload is the slowest of all top tier MBTs. IMO the T-72 line holds a candle to the T-80 one.

Russia is still the best top tier nation.
Why ?
They are the only nation ingame that has access to the Pantsir.
SPAA is very powerful if you have good CAS to pair with
mbts just 1shot each other anyways

also about the t90m
i think its a horrible mbt.. the only reason that garbage works at all is because of the broken spall liners
you can literally bait shots with ur side armor because most of the time u survive

[Wandering Flare]

"T-80BVM bad"
"There was this Strv 122 that wouldn't die"
"Clickbait somehow took 3 shots from the side and still lived"

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ kek. Imagine having a hard time killing one of the sorriest excuses for an MBT in the game that has basically no armor. Stop shooting the cheeks, shoot literally any other part of it and it'll die instantly. I'm genuinely surprised you've managed to get to top tier without ever learning how to side-shot a tank either, but then it's USSR top tier, so that checks out.

The thing about T-80BVM (and T-90M) is that while all top tier tanks are made of paper, they have the smallest weakspots - or, rather, they have weakspots while everyone else has armor spots -, making them the best at potentially surviving getting shot if the shooter whiffs or scratches the ERA due to latency. The ammo is also very good at surviving direct hits, I've taken to coming out at enemies with my sides first because that way I am most likely to come out of the engagement without any crew loss and only needing to fix the autoloader.

[Akagi]

You still need to research the modifcation that gives funny relict armor

[French Cat]

It’s a weird phenomenon when people are used to bad tanks and overhype others. The BVM is a real beast, super survivable and can dish out pain, but people tend to say it’s as survivable as the Maus. My suggestion is slow down, take it slow and learn the tank. Its upper front plate and gun is super good, so I suggest you start focusing on learning those parts first. Lose the mindset that it’s unkillable, reset your opinion on it, treat it like you’ve never seen it before. If you do that, the Russian bias will soon come.

[Krazykov]

Originally posted by Qu Rahn:

Originally posted by Krazykov:

So I finally made it to 12.0 got myself T80BVM that I heard good things about, using backups I've smashed out about 10+ games with it. Conclusion: this is worse than a light tank when it comes to survivability, what the hell is this Rus bias I heard rumours about, where is it? haha, or was this rubbish nerfed into the ground by the time I got to it? Literally every single death has been 1 shot death, and most from the front where it supposed to take a hit or two, I haven't bounced a single thing (any angle, any part of the tank) Anything and everything can 1 shot kill T80BVM, me on the other hand I had to shoot some tanks 5 times to destroy them. There was a Swedish Strv 122B that just wouldn't die at all, nothing would pen it. Clickbait somehow took 3 shots from the side and still lived at one point. So sick and tired with this disappointing sorry excuse of a tech tree...

The only good thing about T80BVM so far is that the mobility is pretty good, and PRAISE JESUS it can actually reverse slightly faster than a baby crawling on the ground...

Yeah yeah skill issue/get gud "insert some bs" whatever, Rus MBT's are pure poop on tracks.

Sorry to say, but if you grinded all to the way because of "russian bias", you're late to the party.

Russia was the top dog many patches ago. People would argue it had an unending supply of backup vehicles (although I hold the position that it was helicopters that made the Russian lineup dominate, as the ground units were worse peer-to-peer, with maybe the BVM being the exception), anyhow, post Sweden introduction, that was no longer the case.
122s had everything: armor, mobility, firepower, minor nation. Subsequent patches brought more lineup choices to everyone, and basically everyone but can bring many top tier capable MBTs, IFVs, SPAAs, planes, helis. Then 2A7s, DM53 for all Leopards, 600+ pen rounds started becoming common, better CAS, helicopter module nerf, etc.
Russia DID have a long run dominating top tier, though, that can't really be denied.

Last patch Russia got the SU34 which is a darn good CAS (although everyone has broken CAS these days), but, as of this X-mas, I'm feeling the teams are massively worse because of the influx of T80UE1s -- worse than Clickbait teams, which tbh I expected to happen, precisely because of the laughable reverse & gun depression. Russian bias really only goes as far as playing those vehicles yourself. Then you start appreciating what -40 km/h reverse coupled with -10 depression does for your gameplay, nevermind the previous T-72/80s versions with lulz 4 deg/sec vertical traverse and lulz 20 deg/sec turret rotation, that abysmal gun handling DOES get you killed.

As far the BVM goes:
The only change that happened to it is the autoloader module being added as a damageable component, all the rest is the same and has not been touched since its introduction.

It's a T80 with better ERA, slightly slower because of the armor package, but a much needed buff to gun handling in the form of traverse speeds. Side Relikt will glitch out and eat shots from time to time, can't complain on it being weak tbh.

Reverse is still bad, depression is questionable, penetrating hits will kill you because of the packed 3 crew, same weakspots, and all the other shortcomings that you already saw all the way from the T-64s.

Personally, I think it's the only good vehicle for RU at top tier, the T90M mobility leaves MUCH to be desired, the gun depression angle being worse also hits it pretty bad, and the reload is the slowest of all top tier MBTs. IMO the T-72 line holds a candle to the T-80 one.

Nah I wouldn't say I started USSR because of the claimed bias I didn't even hear about it initially, I started playing the game when it first came out when it was just planes and loved it. Went USSR because my grandad used to fly I-16's. Then after briefly playing it I completely forgot about the game for like 8 years or so haha, started playing it again during Covid lockdowns and just continued USSR tree as my main but now with Tanks as well. I had a bunch of friends that play the game on & off as well but we all mostly newbs so for the most part its been low to midtier games and been trying many different nations. When playing solo USSR continued to be my main though and I finally hit 12.0 few days ago.

Watching WT content online and seeing people talk about the game the crap about Russian bias has always been a hot topic, It never made sense to me though because imo USSR vehicles are way harder to use for all the reasons you also mentioned, from 1.0 to 12.0 cannon depression, reverse speed, reload etc... was always an issue. But I thought maybe top tier where it actually shines and ill be magically bouncing shots and one slotting things but yeah It was def all a myth or I guess it was true LONG TIME AGO haha. T80BVM is a cool tank but def lacklustre these days vs what other nations have to offer even minor nations like Sweden as a good example as you mentioned as well. I started playing Sweden as well up to 6.7 atm, been really enjoying that extra cannon depression it makes an insane difference, like words can't describe how important it is. I have no idea wtf Russian tank engineers were thinking, they messed up big time....

[Krazykov]

Originally posted by Betrayer:

Originally posted by Qu Rahn:

Sorry to say, but if you grinded all to the way because of "russian bias", you're late to the party.

Russia was the top dog many patches ago. People would argue it had an unending supply of backup vehicles (although I hold the position that it was helicopters that made the Russian lineup dominate, as the ground units were worse peer-to-peer, with maybe the BVM being the exception), anyhow, post Sweden introduction, that was no longer the case.
122s had everything: armor, mobility, firepower, minor nation. Subsequent patches brought more lineup choices to everyone, and basically everyone but can bring many top tier capable MBTs, IFVs, SPAAs, planes, helis. Then 2A7s, DM53 for all Leopards, 600+ pen rounds started becoming common, better CAS, helicopter module nerf, etc.
Russia DID have a long run dominating top tier, though, that can't really be denied.

Last patch Russia got the SU34 which is a darn good CAS (although everyone has broken CAS these days), but, as of this X-mas, I'm feeling the teams are massively worse because of the influx of T80UE1s -- worse than Clickbait teams, which tbh I expected to happen, precisely because of the laughable reverse & gun depression. Russian bias really only goes as far as playing those vehicles yourself. Then you start appreciating what -40 km/h reverse coupled with -10 depression does for your gameplay, nevermind the previous T-72/80s versions with lulz 4 deg/sec vertical traverse and lulz 20 deg/sec turret rotation, that abysmal gun handling DOES get you killed.

As far the BVM goes:
The only change that happened to it is the autoloader module being added as a damageable component, all the rest is the same and has not been touched since its introduction.

It's a T80 with better ERA, slightly slower because of the armor package, but a much needed buff to gun handling in the form of traverse speeds. Side Relikt will glitch out and eat shots from time to time, can't complain on it being weak tbh.

Reverse is still bad, depression is questionable, penetrating hits will kill you because of the packed 3 crew, same weakspots, and all the other shortcomings that you already saw all the way from the T-64s.

Personally, I think it's the only good vehicle for RU at top tier, the T90M mobility leaves MUCH to be desired, the gun depression angle being worse also hits it pretty bad, and the reload is the slowest of all top tier MBTs. IMO the T-72 line holds a candle to the T-80 one.

Russia is still the best top tier nation.
Why ?
They are the only nation ingame that has access to the Pantsir.
SPAA is very powerful if you have good CAS to pair with
mbts just 1shot each other anyways

also about the t90m
i think its a horrible mbt.. the only reason that garbage works at all is because of the broken spall liners
you can literally bait shots with ur side armor because most of the time u survive

Didn't bunch of other nations recently get Pantsir as well? but anyway SPAA at top tier is pretty insane from all nations these days it seems.

Yeah I'm not interested in getting T90's tbh, ive put up with bad reverse speed long enough I cant handle it anymore, at least T80's are able to reverse at 11k and not 4, its still sh*t but its something I guess. Spall liners stuff im sure will get nerfd at some point and then T90 will have absolute zero going for it vs top tier tanks from other nations. Completely pointless apart from how it looks, does look a cool tank imo.

[Krazykov]

Originally posted by French Cat:

It’s a weird phenomenon when people are used to bad tanks and overhype others. The BVM is a real beast, super survivable and can dish out pain, but people tend to say it’s as survivable as the Maus. My suggestion is slow down, take it slow and learn the tank. Its upper front plate and gun is super good, so I suggest you start focusing on learning those parts first. Lose the mindset that it’s unkillable, reset your opinion on it, treat it like you’ve never seen it before. If you do that, the Russian bias will soon come.

yeah good advice, though upper front plate I'm not really sure in which situations its actually good? I've been 1shot killed hit directly into it many times now, head on and on an angle, seems to always go through like butter. No one even bothered to shoot me in lower plate yet which is the typical weakness in USSR tanks. Also been shot in the turret from all sorts of angles not even in the weakspots and again everything just goes through like a butter killing everything.

[Wandering Flare]

Originally posted by Krazykov:

Didn't bunch of other nations recently get Pantsir as well? but anyway SPAA at top tier is pretty insane from all nations these days it seems.

As of right now, no other nation has anything remotely as good as Pantsir, which might not sound like much of a problem until you try to fly counter-CAS against USSR on the opposite team and realize you are essentially forced to hug the ground or catch one of its missiles with barely a ping on the RWR to warn you 3 seconds before impact. From my experience, unless you instantly dive to the deck upon spawning, average time between spawning and dying is 7 seconds.

Compare it to the ItO for example that can't even hold the missile steady past 10km, which it takes maybe 20 seconds to even reach.