British solid shots arent as bad as people say

[Bison]

people say solid shots tend to do small amounts of post pen damage and British tank tree is infamous beracuse of it, but so far i had no trouble dealing with enemy tanks with them. Sure you need to aim just sligthly more, sure there were cases where if i had access aphe round it might have saved me but still over all solid shots can reliably destroy tanks.

so whats your opinion on this matter?

[Belgord]

what br you playing?

[Bison]

Originally posted by Belgord:

what br you playing?

Well got to 4.7

[xCrossFaith]

They thing is that they are not that bad, in the sense that they can at least do serious damage

The thing is that for what they get, almost every other nation gets a better ammo

[Patriot03]

Well it's just one of those things, great tanks for skilled players but for average players it's certainly harder and less forgiving.


Although for the 75mm, I would really like to have APHE like the US has for their Shermans and what not... But it's just the way it is. Often times British tanks have more gadgets, like more smoke grenades
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Yet another tool a skilled player can take advantage of that probably doesn't mean too much for most.

[Spungy bob]

I kinda agree, I only have up to 1.3 UK, but the U.S. T34 has solid shot that's almost like APHE, it annihilates crew.

[Bison]

Originally posted by Patriot03:

Well it's just one of those things, great tanks for skilled players but for average players it's certainly harder and less forgiving.


Although for the 75mm, I would really like to have APHE like the US has for their Shermans and what not... But it's just the way it is. Often times British tanks have more gadgets, like more smoke grenades
^
Yet another tool a skilled player can take advantage of that probably doesn't mean too much for most.

Regarding the smoke grenades its certainly nice to have such amounts of them that pretty much you dont need to use them sparingly where most nations get between 5-15 smoke grenades (atleast early on) you get british where you usually get around 20 and with crusaders up to 30 smoke grenades.

As for 75mm APHE technicaly there are atleast two UK tanks that can use them, UK sherman at br 3.7 and Churchill that sits at br 4.3 but heres the catch Sherman while better armored is the same 75mm sherman you get in US so the better armor is pretty much negated by armor layout on front hull as for Churchill i would say its worst version beacuase of br it sits at, its pretty much in limbo between two other Churchills that are arguably better off, the version before it at br 4.0 have same armor but better gun in terms of penetration power so you can be more generous where to aim and the Churchill at br 4.7 well its pretty much bunker so you usually have more time to aim for weakspots.

[Bison]

Originally posted by HottestKnees:

I kinda agree, I only have up to 1.3 UK, but the U.S. T34 has solid shot that's almost like APHE, it annihilates crew.

Early British tanks ironicaly enough get decent aphe round on their 40mm cannon that most of their early tanks use, so you are better off using it rather than solid shots, but i would say one should still bring few solid shots with him just in case you run to some tank that have actual armor.

[The Roach]

Originally posted by Bison:

people say solid shots tend to do small amounts of post pen damage and British tank tree is infamous beracuse of it, but so far i had no trouble dealing with enemy tanks with them. Sure you need to aim just sligthly more, sure there were cases where if i had access aphe round it might have saved me but still over all solid shots can reliably destroy tanks.

so whats your opinion on this matter?

perhaps you should play 6.7 to 8.0

[RobbieGuh]

Originally posted by Bison:

Originally posted by Belgord:

what br you playing?

Well got to 4.7

As The Roach said you should try it after 6.0. Other tech trees are coming in with APHE rounds as effective at penning as the British solid shot, except that a pen probably means a kill due to the explosive effect.

The higher BR you go the more likely you're going to be one-shot, so you don't really have time to follow up with a 2nd or 3rd solid round if the 1st doesn't detonate ammo or spall into most of the crew. Early BRs however are still fun with it for sure.

[-NODER-_Novastorm_]

From my experience with brits, you only need a bit more accuracy to pin point things like crew and ammoracks , in order to kill fast, while other nations have explosive filter in their ammo loadouts.
They are not bad ofc, with those good pen. shells and enemy tanks inside layouts knowledge you can play those very well i think.

[Wandering Flare]

The issue of UK is that it's more effort for less reward. Sure, you get more penetration, but most of the time there will be comparable APHE shells on tanks of the same BR in other nations, so UK can't boast about that. With that in mind, you have to aim for crew and ammo to take out the enemy instead of just putting one wherever it pens to kill them in one easy shot with most other nations.

UK also requires a lot more luck with enemy positioning, because if the enemy is behind cover in such a way that you can't readily hit their ammo, you're ♥♥♥♥ out of luck where other nations just put an APHE through and get the kill.

[-NODER-_Novastorm_]

Originally posted by Wandering Flare:

The issue of UK is that it's more effort for less reward. Sure, you get more penetration, but most of the time there will be comparable APHE shells on tanks of the same BR in other nations, so UK can't boast about that. With that in mind, you have to aim for crew and ammo to take out the enemy instead of just putting one wherever it pens to kill them in one easy shot with most other nations.

UK also requires a lot more luck with enemy positioning, because if the enemy is behind cover in such a way that you can't readily hit their ammo, you're ♥♥♥♥ out of luck where other nations just put an APHE through and get the kill.

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[Wyvern]

Originally posted by Wandering Flare:

The issue of UK is that it's more effort for less reward. Sure, you get more penetration, but most of the time there will be comparable APHE shells on tanks of the same BR in other nations, so UK can't boast about that. With that in mind, you have to aim for crew and ammo to take out the enemy instead of just putting one wherever it pens to kill them in one easy shot with most other nations.

UK also requires a lot more luck with enemy positioning, because if the enemy is behind cover in such a way that you can't readily hit their ammo, you're ♥♥♥♥ out of luck where other nations just put an APHE through and get the kill.

To expand on this point, I think it's made worse by the fact that despite having better than average pen on most brit tanks, due to the way armor works you're usually stuck shooting the same places APHE slingers are stuck shooting, since no-go zones are still no-go, and this in turn almost always means you need extra shots to kill. At low tiers it's less noticeable, because German tanks are mostly papier-mache and most armor is flat. But you even start seeing issues around the 3.0-4.0 range vs Soviets/USA, where it often doesn't help that you know where ammo is on a T-34 or even M4 when you can't reliably pen the sloped hull with at-tier weapons anyway.

This situation plays out in pretty much the same way, and just gets worse really, as you climb into the 5+ BR range vs all the German/USSR meds and heavies you fight. Both APDS and Brit solid shot have poor angle pen, so you have to shoot weakspots, same as everyone else, but where an APHE slinger punches through the weakspot and wipes most if not all of the crew, you killed 1-2 and now need to repeat the shot multiple times.
Yeah, there are niche circumstances where having APDS or AP has its perks. Fighting hull down American heavies in the 6.7-7.3 range and just lobbing APDS through their mantlet with minimal aiming is nice. But in 90% of situations having APHE would just be far more comfortable.