F-117 stealth

[777Azure7strix777]

Borderline useless. At least we have it.

[Boii Fan]

I don;t get what people expected out of a plane that could only drop 2 bombs of any kind

[Lancer VI]

Originally posted by Boii Fan:

I don;t get what people expected out of a plane that could only drop 2 bombs of any kind

People don't seem to understand that a surgical strike tool meant for strategic use; being used in a tactical situation is almost always useless.

[777Azure7strix777]

Originally posted by Boii Fan:

I don;t get what people expected out of a plane that could only drop 2 bombs of any kind

To have some kind of relevant radar immunity? Cause the game sure as hell not realistic. Also who was talking about the number of ordenance?

[whatdoesthisbuttondo?]

Originally posted by 777Azure7strix777:

Originally posted by Boii Fan:

I don;t get what people expected out of a plane that could only drop 2 bombs of any kind

To have some kind of relevant radar immunity? Cause the game sure as hell not realistic. Also who was talking about the number of ordenance?

It got shot down IRL because it was detected by radar decades behind of what it is facing in game.

As far as realism goes, getting detected and shot down when flying over a known location is spot on.

[Venom]

Originally posted by whatdoesthisbuttondo?:

Originally posted by 777Azure7strix777:

To have some kind of relevant radar immunity? Cause the game sure as hell not realistic. Also who was talking about the number of ordenance?

It got shot down IRL because it was detected by radar decades behind of what it is facing in game.

As far as realism goes, getting detected and shot down when flying over a known location is spot on.

The F-117 was shot down more or less by chance and more by luck than by technology. Plus it was a command error when they were flying the same routes and the pilot was flying at a relatively low altitude. Otherwise this aircraft has more than proven itself in several battles. As for its use in the game, it is a common problem when the game simply does not reflect reality. In reality, the unnoticed destruction of sensitive targets such as weapons factories, radar defense, is a very, very valuable and important thing. Especially if you have an aircraft that is difficult to detect by defense systems and you can do it again and again all day. Of course, in the game this means the destruction of a maximum of two machines for you, which does not mean much. So the problem is not in the aircraft or its capabilities, only in the difference between reality and the game.

[Toblm]

Originally posted by Venom:

Originally posted by whatdoesthisbuttondo?:

It got shot down IRL because it was detected by radar decades behind of what it is facing in game.

As far as realism goes, getting detected and shot down when flying over a known location is spot on.

The F-117 was shot down more or less by chance and more by luck than by technology. Plus it was a command error when they were flying the same routes and the pilot was flying at a relatively low altitude.

So exactly the situation outlined in a Warthunder match.
Low altitude, visual range, identified area of operations.

[Qu Rahn]

Originally posted by Venom:

The F-117 was shot down more or less by chance and more by luck than by technology. Plus it was a command error when they were flying the same routes and the pilot was flying at a relatively low altitude. Otherwise this aircraft has more than proven itself in several battles. As for its use in the game, it is a common problem when the game simply does not reflect reality. In reality, the unnoticed destruction of sensitive targets such as weapons factories, radar defense, is a very, very valuable and important thing. Especially if you have an aircraft that is difficult to detect by defense systems and you can do it again and again all day. Of course, in the game this means the destruction of a maximum of two machines for you, which does not mean much. So the problem is not in the aircraft or its capabilities, only in the difference between reality and the game.

This isn't true. Luck was just the damage control excuse the US tried shoving into ppls throats. We have the Serbian reports on the F117 first incident and they do not agree on dumb luck. We also know there was a second F117 hit (detailed article on TWZ salsa: https://www.twz.com/37894/yes-serbian-air-defenses-did-hit-another-f-117-during-operation-allied-force-in-1999).

Serbian report on the downed F117 (from the battery commander):

"I arrived at the firing position around 20:30. There were no nearby targets in the air, but some were at greater distances in various azimuths. Suddenly, on the observation radar display, at an azimuth of 195, I spotted a target at a distance of 23 kilometers.
At a distance of 14-15 km and an azimuth of 210 degrees, the firing officer, Lieutenant Colonel Zoltan Dani, ordered to search for the target. The targeting radar's radiation was turned on. We radiated for more than 10 seconds unsuccessfully.

I saw the target again at an azimuth of 240 degrees and a distance of 14 km. The guidance officer's dials clicked, but the operators lost it. Just when I thought this attempt would also fail ... The dials clicked, and the operators locked on. Stable tracking, azimuth 242 degrees, distance 14.5 km. The first missile launched, then the second after 5 seconds. Muminovic reports the first launched and locked, the second launched but not locked. (20:55, end of engagement)"

Salsa: https://aviation.stackexchange.com/questions/100127/is-the-f-117-actually-inferior-in-its-rcs-than-the-f-22-and-b-2

[FizzyElf]

Originally posted by Venom:

Originally posted by whatdoesthisbuttondo?:

It got shot down IRL because it was detected by radar decades behind of what it is facing in game.

As far as realism goes, getting detected and shot down when flying over a known location is spot on.

The F-117 was shot down more or less by chance and more by luck than by technology. Plus it was a command error when they were flying the same routes and the pilot was flying at a relatively low altitude. Otherwise this aircraft has more than proven itself in several battles. As for its use in the game, it is a common problem when the game simply does not reflect reality. In reality, the unnoticed destruction of sensitive targets such as weapons factories, radar defense, is a very, very valuable and important thing. Especially if you have an aircraft that is difficult to detect by defense systems and you can do it again and again all day. Of course, in the game this means the destruction of a maximum of two machines for you, which does not mean much. So the problem is not in the aircraft or its capabilities, only in the difference between reality and the game.

Though it should be mentioned that in game it is being flown by idiots who are fighting idiots that vaguely know something is coming and may even have a visual on the target before their radar has a chance to lock it which is NOT how it was meant to operate in real life. In game even with proper stealth mechanics it would still get shot down most of the time just by virtue of the maps being too small and predictable. In a SIM match on a custom air map, figuring out where a plane is coming from can be a real challenge for ground players and potentially would allow a specialized plane like this to be especially effective but these maps only exist in customs and gaijin will never allow players to use them in a live match so while it can be a way to theoretically come close to matching it's real world performance if stealth was fully implemented, stealth won't be implemented until the SU-57 is added and it's a mute point because the maps will never exist on the live match catalog.

[FizzyElf]

Originally posted by Qu Rahn:

Originally posted by Venom:

The F-117 was shot down more or less by chance and more by luck than by technology. Plus it was a command error when they were flying the same routes and the pilot was flying at a relatively low altitude. Otherwise this aircraft has more than proven itself in several battles. As for its use in the game, it is a common problem when the game simply does not reflect reality. In reality, the unnoticed destruction of sensitive targets such as weapons factories, radar defense, is a very, very valuable and important thing. Especially if you have an aircraft that is difficult to detect by defense systems and you can do it again and again all day. Of course, in the game this means the destruction of a maximum of two machines for you, which does not mean much. So the problem is not in the aircraft or its capabilities, only in the difference between reality and the game.

This isn't true. Luck was just the damage control excuse the US tried shoving into ppls throats. We have the Serbian reports on the F117 first incident and they do not agree on dumb luck. We also know there was a second F117 hit (detailed article on TWZ salsa: https://www.twz.com/37894/yes-serbian-air-defenses-did-hit-another-f-117-during-operation-allied-force-in-1999).

Serbian report on the downed F117 (from the battery commander):

"I arrived at the firing position around 20:30. There were no nearby targets in the air, but some were at greater distances in various azimuths. Suddenly, on the observation radar display, at an azimuth of 195, I spotted a target at a distance of 23 kilometers.
At a distance of 14-15 km and an azimuth of 210 degrees, the firing officer, Lieutenant Colonel Zoltan Dani, ordered to search for the target. The targeting radar's radiation was turned on. We radiated for more than 10 seconds unsuccessfully.

I saw the target again at an azimuth of 240 degrees and a distance of 14 km. The guidance officer's dials clicked, but the operators lost it. Just when I thought this attempt would also fail ... The dials clicked, and the operators locked on. Stable tracking, azimuth 242 degrees, distance 14.5 km. The first missile launched, then the second after 5 seconds. Muminovic reports the first launched and locked, the second launched but not locked. (20:55, end of engagement)"

Salsa: https://aviation.stackexchange.com/questions/100127/is-the-f-117-actually-inferior-in-its-rcs-than-the-f-22-and-b-2

The coolest thing about this incident is it lead to russia being able to sell AA systems and advertise their capabilities while in an actual life or death situation the AA systems would fail because the crews weren't given an actual run down of how it managed to catch the F117. Kinda like handing a pantsir to a new player and saying have fun after you shot down a Gripen that was notching and flaring like a maniac and that new player doesn't even have a keybind to fire the missile lol. Sucks for the buyer but it's pretty nice for russia and funny for an outsider looking in at least until the user wises up.

[Smokey]

Originally posted by 777Azure7strix777:

Borderline useless. At least we have it.

What did you expect from it? It's literally got nothing besides 2 bombs

[Smokey]

Originally posted by 777Azure7strix777:

Originally posted by Boii Fan:

I don;t get what people expected out of a plane that could only drop 2 bombs of any kind

To have some kind of relevant radar immunity? Cause the game sure as hell not realistic. Also who was talking about the number of ordenance?

It literally does but in a realistic way, stealth doesn't make your jet invisible, just harder to detect especially at higher range. Most engagements in War Thunder are below 20km tho

[Eftwyrd]

Had a great time hunting down morons in f117s when it was first released. Sim was full of them so I just jumped in my early jet that doesn’t even have radar and gunned the poor ♥♥♥♥♥ down in broad daylight

[FizzyElf]

Originally posted by Eftwyrd:

Had a great time hunting down morons in f117s when it was first released. Sim was full of them so I just jumped in my early jet that doesn’t even have radar and gunned the poor ♥♥♥♥♥ down in broad daylight

lol yep, I bagged one with my Mig-3-15 (2.3 prop) in ground RB on it's way back to the airfield, it's practically harmless for anything in the air, though now you don't see them so I guess we hunted them to extinction

[Makolic]

Originally posted by whatdoesthisbuttondo?:

Originally posted by 777Azure7strix777:

To have some kind of relevant radar immunity? Cause the game sure as hell not realistic. Also who was talking about the number of ordenance?

It got shot down IRL because it was detected by radar decades behind of what it is facing in game.

As far as realism goes, getting detected and shot down when flying over a known location is spot on.

It got detected because it's weapons bay door was open, just as the radar caught it. But even when they could see the f117 with the naked eye. The IR didn't pick it up. And only one... One out of them all got shot down. By one lucky moment. Don't spread lies my man. Expand on it.

The bay door is well known as it's weakness. Open it's detectable, closed it's not.

[whatdoesthisbuttondo?]

Originally posted by Makolic:

Originally posted by whatdoesthisbuttondo?:

It got shot down IRL because it was detected by radar decades behind of what it is facing in game.

As far as realism goes, getting detected and shot down when flying over a known location is spot on.

It got detected because it's weapons bay door was open, just as the radar caught it. But even when they could see the f117 with the naked eye. The IR didn't pick it up. And only one... One out of them all got shot down. By one lucky moment. Don't spread lies my man. Expand on it.

The weapons bay cover story has been debunked quite some time ago.