Historical accuracy, haha.

[Soldner42]

You removed the 10,5cm Tiger 2, Panther 2 and Coelian.
But now we got the second Ostwind 2 Tank. Yeah.. sure.. haha.

[Resident NATO Freedom Enjoyer]

Late to the party.

[Soldner42]

Originally posted by Resident NATO Freedom Enjoyer:

Late to the party.

Probably, just saw the Ostwind 2 in the new Premium Package. Thought that its just ridiclious.

[Eftwyrd]

if you switch to the german version of wikipedia it does mention the ostwind 2 being made, looking at the citation its for a book i have not had the opportunity to see

[Soldner42]

Originally posted by Eftwyrd:

if you switch to the german version of wikipedia it does mention the ostwind 2 being made, looking at the citation its for a book i have not had the opportunity to see

Well, Panther 2 and Coelian as well as Tiger 2 10,5cm can also be described as "being made" in big quotation Marks.
There exists a uparmored Panther Hull aka Panther 2 Hull.
The Turret of the Coelian also had a Wooden Mockup
And the Tiger 2 was made and the 10,5cm Cannon also existed.

But what counts for all these, none of them ever saw Combat or could be called Production Series. Same goes for Ostwind 2. There may be Plans for it, it never saw the Daylight.

[Eftwyrd]

Originally posted by Soldner42:

Originally posted by Eftwyrd:

if you switch to the german version of wikipedia it does mention the ostwind 2 being made, looking at the citation its for a book i have not had the opportunity to see

Well, Panther 2 and Coelian as well as Tiger 2 10,5cm can also be described as "being made" in big quotation Marks.
There exists a uparmored Panther Hull aka Panther 2 Hull.
The Turret of the Coelian also had a Wooden Mockup
And the Tiger 2 was made and the 10,5cm Cannon also existed.

But what counts for all these, none of them ever saw Combat or could be called Production Series. Same goes for Ostwind 2. There may be Plans for it, it never saw the Daylight.

except the panther II was supposed to have a 75mm gun in a schmalturm that was never designed, so the only thing it was ever fit with was a panther G turret, so not only did gaijin give it a fictional turret that wasnt even designed, much less built, they gave it a gun which physically could not have fit in that turret

there are degrees of realistic and something which would have been physically impossible to make even if someone were high enough to design it like that in the first place is a lot worse than something that may have been built but never made it in time

the whole 'seen combat' schtick just doesnt work, there are plenty of production vehicles which have never been used in anger, something we should be profoundly thankful for frankly

[Kamahl1234]

Originally posted by Soldner42:

Originally posted by Eftwyrd:

if you switch to the german version of wikipedia it does mention the ostwind 2 being made, looking at the citation its for a book i have not had the opportunity to see

Well, Panther 2 and Coelian as well as Tiger 2 10,5cm can also be described as "being made" in big quotation Marks.
There exists a uparmored Panther Hull aka Panther 2 Hull.
The Turret of the Coelian also had a Wooden Mockup
And the Tiger 2 was made and the 10,5cm Cannon also existed.

But what counts for all these, none of them ever saw Combat or could be called Production Series. Same goes for Ostwind 2. There may be Plans for it, it never saw the Daylight.

Well the Panther II is showcased with the wrong gun entirely and the wrong turret. So it'd be much more like a similar tank to the Panther A/D for example with little to set it apart.

The Coelian was a wooden mockup entirely. There might be argument for its return.

The Tiger II 10.5cm isn't physically possible. Like full stop, it doesn't fit in the turret. The tank and gun existing doesn't matter when they're not compatible. It only exists due to a proposal to figure out how to fit the 2 together that never saw any fruition, especially due to the success of the 8.8.


Ostwind 2 is believed to have existed at prototype stage, but the facility had been bombed so no proper record remains IIRC. The only thing that is most likely is the guns probably would have been an over/under configuration rather than side by side.

[Makolic]

I don't expect historically accurate or realistic in any capacity in this game. They even admit they nerf for balance sake. The M1 abrams crew dies to ammunation explosion. That's never happened since the 120s. Yet it happens in game. Fun fact starting with the 120s up to the newest abrams. It has a blow away hatch so the crew isn't hurt if the ammo does go off. Which is stupidly rare for it to do so.

Don't ever take anything in this game as historical or realistic.

[SpiralRazor]

Where my Ostwind 3 at yo?

[SpiralRazor]

Originally posted by Makolic:

I don't expect historically accurate or realistic in any capacity in this game. They even admit they nerf for balance sake. The M1 abrams crew dies to ammunation explosion. That's never happened since the 120s. Yet it happens in game. Fun fact starting with the 120s up to the newest abrams. It has a blow away hatch so the crew isn't hurt if the ammo does go off. Which is stupidly rare for it to do so.

Don't ever take anything in this game as historical or realistic.

Veak 40 had prox fuse.

Begleit missing a ton of systems and ammo types.

Sweden IFVS, including the newest one, missing many systems

SPIKE missiles with nonsensical in game implementation.

Etc etc

[Makolic]

Originally posted by SpiralRazor:

Veak 40 had prox fuse.

Begleit missing a ton of systems and ammo types.

Sweden IFVS, including the newest one, missing many systems

SPIKE missiles with nonsensical in game implementation.

Etc etc

We can keep going.

Most US tanks starting in the 80's missing it's mixed alloy armor using rolled steel instead with rolled steel armor ratings not real armor ratings.

M774 105mm missing 200mm of pen

A10 missing reinforced Frames and stringers, redundancy systems, and 4 agm mavricks. As it can carry 10 of every versions and did if the mission called for it.

M18 hellcat using the pre-war engine and not the war engine, and gyroscope.


I feel pity for people who thinks this game is accurate, historical, or real in any capacity.

[Soldner42]

Originally posted by Eftwyrd:

Originally posted by Soldner42:

Well, Panther 2 and Coelian as well as Tiger 2 10,5cm can also be described as "being made" in big quotation Marks.
There exists a uparmored Panther Hull aka Panther 2 Hull.
The Turret of the Coelian also had a Wooden Mockup
And the Tiger 2 was made and the 10,5cm Cannon also existed.

But what counts for all these, none of them ever saw Combat or could be called Production Series. Same goes for Ostwind 2. There may be Plans for it, it never saw the Daylight.

except the panther II was supposed to have a 75mm gun in a schmalturm that was never designed, so the only thing it was ever fit with was a panther G turret, so not only did gaijin give it a fictional turret that wasnt even designed, much less built, they gave it a gun which physically could not have fit in that turret

there are degrees of realistic and something which would have been physically impossible to make even if someone were high enough to design it like that in the first place is a lot worse than something that may have been built but never made it in time

the whole 'seen combat' schtick just doesnt work, there are plenty of production vehicles which have never been used in anger, something we should be profoundly thankful for frankly

True. But its not like im against Vehicles.
I wouldnt care about the Ostwind 2 at all, if Gaijin themself wouldnt pull the "Historical" Card all the Time, then remove Vehicles just to add new Fantasy Vehicles.
In other Words. I dont want to see the Ostwind 2 getting removed.
I want the Panther2, Tiger 10,5cm and Coelian being readded to the Game for everyone else free to Research.

[Soldner42]

Originally posted by Makolic:

I don't expect historically accurate or realistic in any capacity in this game. They even admit they nerf for balance sake. The M1 abrams crew dies to ammunation explosion. That's never happened since the 120s. Yet it happens in game. Fun fact starting with the 120s up to the newest abrams. It has a blow away hatch so the crew isn't hurt if the ammo does go off. Which is stupidly rare for it to do so.

Don't ever take anything in this game as historical or realistic.

I dont take it historical. Gaijin pretends to do so.
I just want old Vehicles back in the Game.

[Soldner42]

Originally posted by Makolic:

Originally posted by SpiralRazor:

Veak 40 had prox fuse.

Begleit missing a ton of systems and ammo types.

Sweden IFVS, including the newest one, missing many systems

SPIKE missiles with nonsensical in game implementation.

Etc etc

We can keep going.

Most US tanks starting in the 80's missing it's mixed alloy armor using rolled steel instead with rolled steel armor ratings not real armor ratings.

M774 105mm missing 200mm of pen

A10 missing reinforced Frames and stringers, redundancy systems, and 4 agm mavricks. As it can carry 10 of every versions and did if the mission called for it.

M18 hellcat using the pre-war engine and not the war engine, and gyroscope.


I feel pity for people who thinks this game is accurate, historical, or real in any capacity.

People are aware that the Game is bogus in that Term. Thats not the Point.
The Point is that Gaijin uses the "Historical" Card to either Nerf/Buff certain Vehicles or just straight up remove them.
Thats what annoys People.

[Chaoslord 87]

Originally posted by Kamahl1234:

Ostwind 2 is believed to have existed at prototype stage, but the facility had been bombed so no proper record remains IIRC. The only thing that is most likely is the guns probably would have been an over/under configuration rather than side by side.

Unless they used the twin version of the 3.7 cm Flak M42 , which was used by the Kriegsmarine on their ships and Uboats as a basis.

[spartakisteqc]

Tiger II 10.5 cm is a paper design with no prototype ever made. The gun wasn't even approved by the Heer and the design was refused as it was only a suggestion by Krupp and not an actual program.

The Panther II as shown in the game is a fake vehicle that never existed and the breech from the 8.8 cm KwK 43 gun would be too large to be fitted inside a Panther Ausf. F turret.

The real Panther II was a project meant to increase the frontal protection of the tank to 100mm on the upper front plate and 60mm on the sides while standardizing some components with those from the Tiger II to ease production and also to allow it to support the extra weight. The gun was the same 7.5 cm KwK 42 L/70 as the one found on the normal Panther. One prototype was made and still exist today at the U.S. Army Armor & Cavalry Collection, Fort Moore.

The Ostwind II had a single prototype made apparently. So, it's more of a real thing than the Tiger II 10.5 cm and the Panther II shown in the game have ever been.