Is the game biasd? Soviet/Rus tank are way to strong.

[Pr0fessor]

The T34 is way to OP for the tank that it is.
The T62 surviving a 200m frontal shot from a Leopard?
Then I started messing around with the T90s, and they are way to strong too!
Its actually ridiculous how strong sov/rus armor is compared to their real world performance.

Has this always been the case? Its pure clown once you notice the buff soviet equipment has.

[elsimate]

Publicado originalmente por Whisper Locs |LMC|:

Theres a reason Bussian Rias has been a meme in this game since its launch over a decade ago. Anyone who thinks otherwise has never had to face MIG23s and MIG21s

Actually at the the launch you had british bias, and memes like "cheatfires" and "british consultant". Then you had memes like SB, Beaufighter and IL2. Then you had fragmentation damage removed where all MG151 with 20mm HE shells had like x10 damage over SOV,US,UK planes.
You are trying to pass "only russian bias exists in this game" again, wich is completely false. I'ts rather nerf/up routine to force you to play meta nation and if you don't have it ready at that br - go spend money to quickly research them.

[spartakisteqc]

Publicado originalmente por whatdoesthisbuttondo?:

Publicado originalmente por elsimate:

While i agree that M1 is only marginally stronger than TURMS, trying to pass the idea of TURMS=Leo 2A4 is megalol. For T80 to go to 10.7 give it thermals.

Yea, whenever I read something like this, I don't believe those people have ever played any of these vehicles outside of test drive.

Unless they've managed to somehow make it that far in the tech trees without ever figuring out how essential driving backwards is in this game, but that doesn't lend them any credibility in such a discussion either.

Agreed. It always puzzles me how much people underestimate how mobility can radically transform the performance of vehicle. Even a vehicle with a weak gun can become a powerhouse when able to move quickly and reposition at will while others around it struggle to move where they want to be and have zero reverse speed to get out of a hot spot. I would rather drive a nimble XM800T by example than a awkward slow turtle like the Maus.

The Leopard 2A4 is so massively superior in that mobility department that whatever advantages that the TURMS gets are luxury at best and irrelevant at worse.

[Whisper Locs |LMC|]

Publicado originalmente por elsimate:

Publicado originalmente por Whisper Locs |LMC|:

Theres a reason Bussian Rias has been a meme in this game since its launch over a decade ago. Anyone who thinks otherwise has never had to face MIG23s and MIG21s

Actually at the the launch you had british bias, and memes like "cheatfires" and "british consultant". Then you had memes like SB, Beaufighter and IL2. Then you had fragmentation damage removed where all MG151 with 20mm HE shells had like x10 damage over SOV,US,UK planes.
You are trying to pass "only russian bias exists in this game" again, wich is completely false. I'ts rather nerf/up routine to force you to play meta nation and if you don't have it ready at that br - go spend money to quickly research them.

You're mistaking people not knowing how to fight something for bias. cheatfires still exist, but the community has (mostly) learned how to counter them. They still have their insane climb rate, great acceleration, fantastic turn fighting, and decent guns (except for ya know, the MULTIPLE updates way back when where Hispanos were referred to as "sparkle cannons" on account of them not registering hits). They have always been great aircraft, and a lot of the people who mastered them were just better pilots who could trap people into engaging them instead of using energy to get away. British bias was mostly a joke. You could make a similar argument about Japanese planes because they used to be so insanely expensive to repair that only skilled pilots flew them for the most part, and when we had nation v nation in historical battles that was a contributing factor to why Japan seemed to dominate.

Mingeshoß shells had a very good reason for being so good, they may have been too good, but now they are nothing special like they should be. They were a much better shell than all of their counterparts irl.

Russian planes have consistently overperformed with their flight models for over a decade now, never seeming to lose energy the way other nations do. Now with jets, Gajin consistently ignores firsthand accounts of Russian planes being "not very good" to put it nicely, and they consistently outclass everything in their BR. Mig-21s can out accelerate most things, and out turn them too. They get all-aspect missiles that have really good acceleration and flare resistance when other nations get mediocre rear-aspect IR missiles that wont even fly straight without a flare in the way. Mig-23s seem to be able to radar lock people at treetop level with no problem (which is impossible irl because of how the ground interferes with radar), getting pretty damn decent radar missiles at a tier when most people are still using rear-aspect IR missiles.

Yes there have been fringe cases of other nations being bugged, or having something wonky before it got patched, but Russian planes never seem to be on the receiving end of the nerf bat. Remember when the BF109 F-4 had its 20mm gunpods removed because of "secret documents"? Despite there being accounts of them used in combat, many produced, and even pictures? But true to form, it was nerfed because it was one of the best planes in the German tree at its BR. Downgrading the 20mm to 15mm basically made the gunpods pointless and the German tree lost a fantastic upgrade. They do this when half of all Russian trees or more are drawings, prototypes, or just mockups that were never actually built (which I guess is why they get away with their flight models among other things). Realism everyone.

Since 2013 I have played every tree in WT, but the first thing I tell everyone to do when they come to warthunder as a new player is start with Russia because its basically training wheels. Most of them have agreed with this when they get the shock of switching nations.

I'm not here to get mad about it, or tell people that they shouldnt play this game, or yell at the devs to change it. Its just a fact of life in WT and its silly to ignore it.

I'm primarily an Air RB player, so I wont comment on the state of ground forces or naval.

[elsimate]

Publicado originalmente por Whisper Locs |LMC|:

Publicado originalmente por elsimate:

Actually at the the launch you had british bias, and memes like "cheatfires" and "british consultant". Then you had memes like SB, Beaufighter and IL2. Then you had fragmentation damage removed where all MG151 with 20mm HE shells had like x10 damage over SOV,US,UK planes.
You are trying to pass "only russian bias exists in this game" again, wich is completely false. I'ts rather nerf/up routine to force you to play meta nation and if you don't have it ready at that br - go spend money to quickly research them.

You're mistaking people not knowing how to fight something for bias. cheatfires still exist, but the community has (mostly) learned how to counter them. They still have their insane climb rate, great acceleration, fantastic turn fighting, and decent guns (except for ya know, the MULTIPLE updates way back when where Hispanos were referred to as "sparkle cannons" on account of them not registering hits). They have always been great aircraft, and a lot of the people who mastered them were just better pilots who could trap people into engaging them instead of using energy to get away. British bias was mostly a joke. You could make a similar argument about Japanese planes because they used to be so insanely expensive to repair that only skilled pilots flew them for the most part, and when we had nation v nation in historical battles that was a contributing factor to why Japan seemed to dominate.

Mingeshoß shells had a very good reason for being so good, they may have been too good, but now they are nothing special like they should be. They were a much better shell than all of their counterparts irl.

Russian planes have consistently overperformed with their flight models for over a decade now, never seeming to lose energy the way other nations do. Now with jets, Gajin consistently ignores firsthand accounts of Russian planes being "not very good" to put it nicely, and they consistently outclass everything in their BR. Mig-21s can out accelerate most things, and out turn them too. They get all-aspect missiles that have really good acceleration and flare resistance when other nations get mediocre rear-aspect IR missiles that wont even fly straight without a flare in the way. Mig-23s seem to be able to radar lock people at treetop level with no problem (which is impossible irl because of how the ground interferes with radar), getting pretty damn decent radar missiles at a tier when most people are still using rear-aspect IR missiles.

Yes there have been fringe cases of other nations being bugged, or having something wonky before it got patched, but Russian planes never seem to be on the receiving end of the nerf bat. Remember when the BF109 F-4 had its 20mm gunpods removed because of "secret documents"? Despite there being accounts of them used in combat, many produced, and even pictures? But true to form, it was nerfed because it was one of the best planes in the German tree at its BR. Downgrading the 20mm to 15mm basically made the gunpods pointless and the German tree lost a fantastic upgrade. They do this when half of all Russian trees or more are drawings, prototypes, or just mockups that were never actually built (which I guess is why they get away with their flight models among other things). Realism everyone.

Since 2013 I have played every tree in WT, but the first thing I tell everyone to do when they come to warthunder as a new player is start with Russia because its basically training wheels. Most of them have agreed with this when they get the shock of switching nations.

I'm not here to get mad about it, or tell people that they shouldnt play this game, or yell at the devs to change it. Its just a fact of life in WT and its silly to ignore it.

I'm primarily an Air RB player, so I wont comment on the state of ground forces or naval.

I could speak about LA-5 family with insane recoil that prevented any accurate fire, or LA-5FN getting OP FM and getting nerfed in three days. Also not loosing energy at turns? All SOV jets loose energy like crazy and have mediocre turn rate at best.
I guess you are another player from different universe with different version of WT, but then you should post on your universes forums, why are you coming here?

[nuke]

at this point im convinced that russian bias is an extra potent litmus test

[freyaredpill]

Russia stronk. If you were a serf of Putin like WT devs. you would feel obliged to put 100% higher values for everything that comes from your sh..hole. In reality russian armor is paper because there is a difference between special prepared armor plattes on western tanks and simple cast iron on russian tanks that is pracitcally iron foam with lesser desnity.

[Invictus]

directly the trolls come out and call every crtic wehraboo
americans and russians have by far the strongest Trees and many bugs like volumetric shells are still not fixed in many russian tanks

and i dont know why german shells in the game are insanely bouncy sometimes like rubberballs compared to russian shells that in game pen even if they fly nearly parallel

[elsimate]

Publicado originalmente por Invictus:

directly the trolls come out and call every crtic wehraboo
americans and russians have by far the strongest Trees and many bugs like volumetric shells are still not fixed in many russian tanks

and i dont know why german shells in the game are insanely bouncy sometimes like rubberballs compared to russian shells that in game pen even if they fly nearly parallel

Actually russian shells are most affected by volumetrics because of caliber. Higher caliber - more chances to get non pen because it's a lot more easy catch that 1mm of overlapping armor plates. And GER mains should keep silence about volumetrics until Tiger 1 is not fixed because that ♥♥♥♥ has drivers port, mg ball and turret mask who are volumetric hell.

[Lumberjack]

im only in the 5.7 bracket atm and everyones driving a tiger tank, only my tank destroyer seem to take 1-2 per game of getting destroyed. so I think the other way round tiger is op *shrug*