Why is the Tiger II 10.5 6.7?

[WeebLord69]

This thing has better mobility and a better gun than the regular tiger 2, why is it 6.7?

[Eftwyrd]

You are not wrong about mobility though if you are using it at long range as you should it is not likely to make a major difference but I consider the gun a downgrade, the difference in penetration isn’t enough to make a real difference against most opponents so I take the rate of fire over the bigger boom any day

[WeebLord69]

Originally posted by Mirage:

Really don't think a bit of mobility is relevant in any way, as if it deserves a higher BR because it's slightly faster when we have massive upgrades of vehicles at the same BR in other trees.
Gun is just different, not better.

its not "a bit" its 900 HP compared to 700 hp.

[WeebLord69]

Originally posted by Mirage:

It's still not fast, it's just faster relatively to a vehicle that isn't fast either.

at the same br.

[Eftwyrd]

Originally posted by Weeblord69:

Originally posted by Mirage:

It's still not fast, it's just faster relatively to a vehicle that isn't fast either.

at the same br.

Because it doesn’t make a functional difference to it ability to do its job, it’s still primarily a sniper that should be sitting at long range. It’s still a heavy which won’t be overtaking its medium counterparts if you do feel the need to rush somewhere. Which overloaded chassis would win a drag race is rarely going to be the deciding factor comparing to similar heavies

[uɐɐılʎʇs]

Originally posted by Weeblord69:

Originally posted by Mirage:

Really don't think a bit of mobility is relevant in any way, as if it deserves a higher BR because it's slightly faster when we have massive upgrades of vehicles at the same BR in other trees.
Gun is just different, not better.

its not "a bit" its 900 HP compared to 700 hp.

Sounds like a lot til you realise what weight its dealing with.

[ODINMASTER]

I hate the idea that a better engine should make a vehicle a higher br. Theres no reason, for example, for the chieftan mk5 to be a higher br than the mk3 when the only difference is the mk5 can go slightly faster

[WeebLord69]

Originally posted by ODINMASTER:

I hate the idea that a better engine should make a vehicle a higher br. Theres no reason, for example, for the chieftan mk5 to be a higher br than the mk3 when the only difference is the mk5 can go slightly faster

The better gun also matters , vs stuff like T-54s the gun DEFİNİTELY matters. The 105 is much more guaranteed to pen stuff , and 1 shot.

[Eftwyrd]

Originally posted by Weeblord69:

Originally posted by ODINMASTER:

I hate the idea that a better engine should make a vehicle a higher br. Theres no reason, for example, for the chieftan mk5 to be a higher br than the mk3 when the only difference is the mk5 can go slightly faster

The better gun also matters , vs stuff like T-54s the gun DEFİNİTELY matters. The 105 is much more guaranteed to pen stuff , and 1 shot.

And yet I do significantly better with the 88, because you can still kill mostly the same things and if you don’t you can follow up significantly faster as opposed to other tanks being able to fire, reload and fire again inside the 105s reload time

[ODINMASTER]

Originally posted by Weeblord69:

Originally posted by ODINMASTER:

I hate the idea that a better engine should make a vehicle a higher br. Theres no reason, for example, for the chieftan mk5 to be a higher br than the mk3 when the only difference is the mk5 can go slightly faster

The better gun also matters , vs stuff like T-54s the gun DEFİNİTELY matters. The 105 is much more guaranteed to pen stuff , and 1 shot.

The gun may have more power but also has a slower reload. the 88 can do just as much damage and reloads quicker. Your argument is flawed.

[Smeg]

Gaijin rates everything by gun size

[shipdesignerdude]

The tradeoffs make for an overall worse vehicle, the Tiger 2 88 was already decent for the BR, and the 200hp are negligible.

Not enough people play it either to make it an issue.

[Kay]

I'm not sure what the others are on about, I find the Tiger II 10.5 to be significantly better than the Tiger II

It's not much faster, but it gets up to speed faster and you can definitely feel it if you use the mobility of the tank, and the doubled reload time I've never had a problem with since everything I hit with it does instantly, and there's plenty of cover at the closer ranges I tend to fight at.

I'd be happy with it at 7.0, and I often play it at that BR, but I'm not sure it's quite worth moving it up.

[Sobolewski]

Getting a whopping ~28% increase to horsepower and thus, the HP/ton ratio is certainly a big deal, as is the extra penetration and crew. However, at the 5.7-7.7 BR range the long 88 is generally more than enough to deal with most threats, and the ones it can't deal with the 105 most likely won't be able to either. Having nearly double the reload time is a decent enough tradeoff that while it SHOULD be a 7.0 because it's somewhat of an upgrade overall, it's not egregious enough to be noticeable at 6.7.

I'd say once BRs are sufficiently decompressed along the board, it would be reasonable to put it at 7.0 but right now there's no need as not much is gained by lower ranking vehicles who are still gonna get overkilled by the long 88 but have about twice the time to answer a missed shot in the case of the 105, but it will lose out quite a bit, making the net result more frustration in the overall game and not less.

[Chaoslord 87]

Originally posted by Smeg:

Gaijin rates everything by gun size

And your average American gun nut.

[Eftwyrd]

Originally posted by Smeg:

Gaijin rates everything by gun size

this one genuinly confuses me... while the average bore of a tanks main guns has gotten larger over the years with even a cursory look at a tree you will see its all over the place, germany has a 1.0 assault gun with a larger bore than its best end tier MBT...