Brazilian ground forces tech tree for War Thunder

[Xavier]

https://pikpikker.neocities.org/br_wt.html

By: PikPikker

[SteelWolf45]

I personally don't mind seeing new tech trees, and you put quite a bit of effort into it as well!

[Pozieres]

I see a lot of copy paste and I CBF grinding any more than I have too

[Qu Rahn]

The problem is not the lack of vehicles. It's getting proper information on some of those. The modified Stuart/Bulldogs you can find and take pictures/measures on museums, but some other stuff are unavailable to us.

The Tamoyo III & EE-T2 exist, but are in a special museum (inside a military base) that only opens to the general public on very special occasions, so no pics nor measurements from here.

The EE-T1 is in another museum, one that you visit normally, but you can't go around the vehicle freely. Perhaps if you talk to someone in the museum they would let you go around, climb and/or enter it, who knows.

The EE-17 was scrapped afaik, and the EE-18 (what's left of it, anyway) is in the hands of a collector. We have some pictures of the EE-18 weathered hull, so maybe someone could pixel measure it.

Anyways, the point is: official documentation is basically non-existant, all that's left are some product catalogs/brochures in the hand of collectors that I doubt play warthunder, and therefore are very hard to get our hands on.
There are videos and textual interviews of people who worked at the projects, but I'm not sure the devs will accept "We tested the Osório's armor and it was able to withstand 105 HEAT" as good enough information to rely on.

btw, Brazil also uses the JaPz.K A2.

[Pozieres]

Originally posted by Qu Rahn:

The Tamoyo III & EE-T2 exist, but are in a special museum (inside a military base) that only opens to the general public on very special occasions, so no pics nor measurements from here.

I know many countries like to keep people guessing about their military capability but like South Africa we can safely assume it would be garbage so IDK why they keep basic stats under wraps. I am surprised they have even worried about it

[hsf_]

Originally posted by Qu Rahn:

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Most of the modern vehicles in War Thunder aren't true to life anyway, as evidenced by the fairly recent Challenger 2 debacle.

At the end of the day this is just a video game and balance is something that should be a priority in multiplayer video games.

[OcGuy]

man's efforts deserves recognition

[Qu Rahn]

Originally posted by Pozieres:

I know many countries like to keep people guessing about their military capability but like South Africa we can safely assume it would be garbage so IDK why they keep basic stats under wraps. I am surprised they have even worried about it

It's not really about keeeping people guessing, imo. Those indigenous projects were made by two private companies that went bankrupt, and, as far as everyone so far knows, the documents just don't exist anymore. I've contacted military historians here and the answer is basically the same:
Engesa, the maker of the EE-T1/2 & EE-17/18, and all other EE-XX vehicles, deleted/lost all files (the vehicles were first the company projected using computers & CAD technology) related to the projects when their assets went into auction.
Similar case for Bernadini (maker of Tamoyo 1/2/3 & modifications such as the M41C - which just entered in Uruguayan service btw).

The EE-T1/2 case isn't the worst because we know the figures for basically everything, except armor & ammo used.
I myself have some screencaps from a french brochure (that went on auction) providing info such as hull pivoting time, 0-30 km/h accel, turret traverse, gun elevation angles & traverse speed, figures for max ammo carried (including MGs), engine HP & number of gears, trench crossing, step & slope/side slope figures.
The EE-17/18, though, we don't know basically anything about.

I know many people want those vehicles, but it's important to have the proper measurements on all so Gaijin can make a proper tree, I fear that they might turn them into event vehicles with bizarre stats otherwise.

[HudsonM1A2]

Regarding the M109A5. I do not see the need to include that, since it's basically a self-propelled artillery piece. Using it as a direct-fire combat vehicle would be a desperate measure.

[Qu Rahn]

Originally posted by HudsonM1A2:

Regarding the M109A5. I do not see the need to include that, since it's basically a self-propelled artillery piece. Using it as a direct-fire combat vehicle would be a desperate measure.

Don't we already have artilleries disguised as TDs anyway?

[SteelWolf45]

Originally posted by Qu Rahn:

Originally posted by HudsonM1A2:

Regarding the M109A5. I do not see the need to include that, since it's basically a self-propelled artillery piece. Using it as a direct-fire combat vehicle would be a desperate measure.

Don't we already have artilleries disguised as TDs anyway?

Chi-ha LG feels like it is, maybe even the Type 75 SPH?

[Space Marine]

This is actually very well done and it would be cool to see it in-game. People complain about not having enough info on certain vehicles, but we have some experimental vehicles that never saw combat and/or it was just a prototype built once for some nations, so why the heck we shouldn't have these vehicles from this tree? Just balance it so it won't become really OP and there it is, a full tech tree.

[Qu Rahn]

Originally posted by Sovereign:

This is actually very well done and it would be cool to see it in-game. People complain about not having enough info on certain vehicles, but we have some experimental vehicles that never saw combat and/or it was just a prototype built once for some nations, so why the heck we shouldn't have these vehicles from this tree? Just balance it so it won't become really OP and there it is, a full tech tree.

The catch is, when you send Gaijin a suggestion, they want some level of info on the vehicles. Bar the fantasy vehicles (E-100, Panther II, Panther SPAA, KT 105, etc.), even the obscure prototypes in WT have some papers stating numbers from which Gaijin can work on. Armor figures, schematics, firing & mobility results from trials, etc.

[Perc]

Lol Brazil. Funny joke.