SU-30SM

[flat_Lander1]

Damn they nerfed it so hard that SU-33 have much better FM and much more maneuverable

[WeebLord69]

+1

[stargit]

Originally posted by Robert:

USA main always cry that why they nerfed it just wait for the su57 to destroy all f22 and f35 it 2030 update

If there is still a russia.

[WeebLord69]

Originally posted by stargit:

Originally posted by Robert:

USA main always cry that why they nerfed it just wait for the su57 to destroy all f22 and f35 it 2030 update

If there is still a russia.

lmao cope harder bruh keep dreamin

[Colonel Jason]

It has its FM corrected, not nerfed.

[BlackWolf9988]

Originally posted by flat_Lander1:

Originally posted by Riggex:

It wasn't ''nerfed'', it was corrected.

It's FM was quite clearly and obviously unfinished on dev server.

We go through this same cycle every single update. Plane arrives on Dev server, it does absolutely cracked - clearly physically improbable things (because it's FM isn't done). It get's corrected before live, and it's nation mains ree and scream about the fact their UFO was 'nerfed'. RU mains blame 'skill issue US mains crying!!!', US mains blame 'skill issue RU mains crying!!!', When the issue all along was simply themselves not being able to comprehend what 'work in progress' means.

Christ, on the dev stream itself, Su-30 did a 360 degree backflip in like 4 seconds from a starting point of 430ish kmh. Physics has left the chat type stuff. If you honestly looked at that, and expected it to be like that on live, then you played yourself my guy.

Ah yes for anything not US - it's a correction not a nerf
but for anything US - it's a nerf and not a correction

nothing new, USA premiums are the piggy bank of gaijin.

[Toomski2000 - Recovery Guy]

Being honest guys both the new planes mentioned in this discussion are very badly wrong in many ways.
I grew up with my father flying Phantoms in the UK and hearing about the many aircraft and how they did or did not match up to the others from an insiders point of few if you will.
Then after 15 years in the Army, and among other things being my battalions Recce Instructor for many of them, I can honestly tell you their is no way that the basic F18 should be near 14 BR - its an 80's plane for a start without even Mach 2 capabilities, mediocre radar and was mostly designed to actually be more of a ground attack aircraft to supplement the F14 Tomcats area defense abilities ( both of them one of the 5 planes the USA built to replace all the F4 Phantoms they had in all services ).

And as for the SU-30 I could go on all day about Gaijin's treatment of that aircraft - starting with the radar and finishing with the totally rubbish 25 second turn rating ! When in reality the F16 has a real life turn rate of 19 seconds, and even the old F4 Phantom in real life had a 26 second turn rate.

This isn't a rant nor am I trolling - I just get more and more disappointed with the rash of the top tier vehicles we have been getting over the last two years, where some of them dont have the right ammo for vehicles, missing modern AA missiles despite some of the very new ground attacks weapons for aircraft, or the worst is the wrong main guns on some of the tanks too.
Now I just shake my head and wonder what other rubbish we will get in the future, and wonder how much longer I will keep playing lol.

[Toomski2000 - Recovery Guy]

Originally posted by Riggex:

It wasn't ''nerfed'', it was corrected.

It's FM was quite clearly and obviously unfinished on dev server.

We go through this same cycle every single update. Plane arrives on Dev server, it does absolutely cracked - clearly physically improbable things (because it's FM isn't done). It get's corrected before live, and it's nation mains ree and scream about the fact their UFO was 'nerfed'. RU mains blame 'skill issue US mains crying!!!', US mains blame 'skill issue RU mains crying!!!', When the issue all along was simply themselves not being able to comprehend what 'work in progress' means.

Christ, on the dev stream itself, Su-30 did a 360 degree backflip in like 4 seconds from a starting point of 430ish kmh. Physics has left the chat type stuff. If you honestly looked at that, and expected it to be like that on live, then you played yourself my guy.

If it helps at all have a poke around the internet for airshow footage of any of the newer or updated Russian fighter aircraft or even the SU-34 tested with vector thrust, and see the stupidity and the nerfing we all hate so much from Gaijin, which always leads to many players complaining about this new plane or that added vehicle

[flat_Lander1]

Originally posted by Riggex:

Originally posted by bastion of pragmatism:

No, it was insanely op on the live server for weeks, nice try tho

It was dominant on the live server, not because it was over performing, but simply because it had no competition. It was the first 14.0 in a 13.7 meta. Wasn't until we got EF/Rafale a few weeks later it actually met it's match.

I think you're misunderstanding the point i was making though. I am not suggesting F-15E/I were bad on live, they were very good (they still are). But they were SO much stronger on Dev (Unrealistically so). I'm simply using them as an example of US jets being corrected / *nerfed* too. Something the other guy seems to think has never happened.

the amount of mental gymnastics is insane on this one

[Riggex]

Originally posted by Toomski2000 - Recovery Guy:

If it helps at all have a poke around the internet for airshow footage of any of the newer or updated Russian fighter aircraft or even the SU-34 tested with vector thrust, and see the stupidity and the nerfing we all hate so much from Gaijin, which always leads to many players complaining about this new plane or that added vehicle

I have never seen airshow footage of a Su30 doing the things Su30 was capable of on Dev server. It was straight up defying physics in some manoeuvres. 400+ kmh, 360 degree backflips in 4 seconds is ace combat levels of goof. Anyone who thought that kind of flight performance was going to be final was fooling themselves.

Originally posted by flat_Lander1:

the amount of mental gymnastics is insane on this one

Mate, If you want to forever live in a cope bubble where you think Russia is the victim of this game, and US is the oppressor, i don't care enough to change your mind.

[French Cat]

Russia mains when the Russian plane sucks (They believed the propaganda)

[Chad Chungus]

Originally posted by French Cat:

Russia mains when the Russian plane sucks (They believed the propaganda)

or maybe its because gaijin gave it ♥♥♥♥ engines because the lowskill us mains that only know how to spamraam cried louder than an air raid horn

[French Cat]

Originally posted by Chad Chungus:

Originally posted by French Cat:

Russia mains when the Russian plane sucks (They believed the propaganda)

or maybe its because gaijin gave it ♥♥♥♥ engines because the lowskill us mains that only know how to spamraam cried louder than an air raid horn

Me when that's the best engines they got because the "good" ones don't exist.

[💀[[P2GX1T0]]💀]

The Su 30 is a very good plane, but I feel like they'll nerf its engines.

[BlackWolf9988]

Originally posted by French Cat:

Originally posted by Chad Chungus:

or maybe its because gaijin gave it ♥♥♥♥ engines because the lowskill us mains that only know how to spamraam cried louder than an air raid horn

Me when that's the best engines they got because the "good" ones don't exist.

you do know the Su-30SM2 does get the better engines that the Su-27SM currently has right? maybe look up the stuff first before crying about ♥♥♥♥ you dont know about.

[French Cat]

Originally posted by BlackWolf9988:

Originally posted by French Cat:

Me when that's the best engines they got because the "good" ones don't exist.

you do know the Su-30SM2 does get the better engines that the Su-27SM currently has right? maybe look up the stuff first before crying about ♥♥♥♥ you dont know about.

Not crying, who's crying? Whenever yall say "USA MAINS CRIED" I'm always left wondering because there usually aren't any bug reports, and the ones submitted have multiple sources. No one talked about how it had too much engine power, legit never saw that. Gaijin was planning to do this SINCE THE BEGINNING. They're just following the blueprints man...