My experience grinding Germany Ground RB to 6.0

[Niroc]

So after playing the US lineup of tanks to 7.0 working on 8.0, I decided I wanted to try something different and started playing Germany mainly to answer for myself if their tanks were as bad as they seemed given I tend to mop the floor against Germany in my US lineups.

And while the tanks are fine, the Tiger H1 and it's recent premium varients are great for long range fire support while having just enough survivability to not die at a sneeze in most situations and the Panther, at least the early 5.7 variant I have played is an excellent medium tank albeit with a slow turret rotation.

It's the teammates that bring me the most pain. Watching four teammates, two tigers a TD and a Panther, get flanked at point blank range by a single British armored car and have NONE of them notice it as they exploded one by one is just..god how do you have that much tunnel vision?!

It boggles my mind and it's no wonder people claim Germany suffers or is bad. Like yeah I've seen some Soviet and US players that are pretty braindead but this is on a whole other level and far more widespread.

I don't do bad as Germany even at the painful 5.7 BR range, getting 4 to 6 kills per a game if it's not a completely one sided stomp (which it often is unfortunately) which for someone who rarely if ever uses medium or heavy tanks is pretty good in my opinion. So this leaves me with the impression that it's the players not the tanks that cause Germany to suffer. Granted this is not every game but probably 8/10 matches I play where it's a majority German team it's just..painful to watch.

With all that being said, anyone have recommendations on what nation I should try playing next? I am kinda looking for something that's a inbetween of US and German tanks if that makes sense.

[Aleuvian]

Originally posted by Niroc:

I don't do bad as Germany even at the painful 5.7 BR range, getting 4 to 6 kills per a game if it's not a completely one sided stomp (which it often is unfortunately) which for someone who rarely if ever uses medium or heavy tanks is pretty good in my opinion. So this leaves me with the impression that it's the players not the tanks that cause Germany to suffer. Granted this is not every game but probably 8/10 matches I play where it's a majority German team it's just..painful to watch.

This actually flips at top tier, where U.S. players become notoriously bad with cold war and higher vehicles. U.S. players also, typically, suffer from everyone rushing to CAS so they can play ARB instead of GRB.

As a German main, though, I just anticipate my team being completely useless and the best advice I can give is to stay as far from "allies" as possible, as they are liable to shove you and mess up your shots, fire their machine gun and give away your position.

Originally posted by Niroc:

With all that being said, anyone have recommendations on what nation I should try playing next? I am kinda looking for something that's a inbetween of US and German tanks if that makes sense.

Great Britain is a good balance. You have a good mix of heavily armored vehicles and lightweight vehicles, but you lose out on APHE pretty much as a whole, and instead only have solid shot. GB has a much higher skill ceiling because of their limited ammo viability, and you are punished heavily for not knowing the internal layout and weakspots of enemy vehicles.

[Niroc]

Yeah that makes sense and i came to accept the useless teammates as well after the 9th match in a row of watching every single tiger we had rush into close range brawls they aren't built for and get utterly memed on. At least it's a fun lineup to play.

I'll have to give the British a try then, thanks for the recommendation.

[Aleuvian]

The sad thing is that the Tiger can actually do really well in close range brawls, too. As long as you angle your tank appropriately you can bounce shots really reliably even at close ranges, and if you carry an optimal ammo count (30 or fewer shells) you can bait people with your corners safely and follow up for the kill.

[Niroc]

Originally posted by Aleuvian:

The sad thing is that the Tiger can actually do really well in close range brawls, too. As long as you angle your tank appropriately you can bounce shots really reliably even at close ranges, and if you carry an optimal ammo count (30 or fewer shells) you can bait people with your corners safely and follow up for the kill.

Yeah that's been my exact experience too. Unfortunately most people do not seem to realize this and either don't angle at all or do but with full ammo loads.

[Chaoslord 87]

Originally posted by Aleuvian:

The sad thing is that the Tiger can actually do really well in close range brawls, too. As long as you angle your tank appropriately you can bounce shots really reliably even at close ranges, and if you carry an optimal ammo count (30 or fewer shells) you can bait people with your corners safely and follow up for the kill.

Only with your right side (left from your enemies view) since there is always ammo in the left side (right if you look at it)

At least in the Tigris (Hungarian Tiger) case, might be different with the German Tigers.

[ikstarven]

Originally posted by Aleuvian:

Originally posted by Niroc:

I don't do bad as Germany even at the painful 5.7 BR range, getting 4 to 6 kills per a game if it's not a completely one sided stomp (which it often is unfortunately) which for someone who rarely if ever uses medium or heavy tanks is pretty good in my opinion. So this leaves me with the impression that it's the players not the tanks that cause Germany to suffer. Granted this is not every game but probably 8/10 matches I play where it's a majority German team it's just..painful to watch.

This actually flips at top tier, where U.S. players become notoriously bad with cold war and higher vehicles. U.S. players also, typically, suffer from everyone rushing to CAS so they can play ARB instead of GRB.

As a German main, though, I just anticipate my team being completely useless and the best advice I can give is to stay as far from "allies" as possible, as they are liable to shove you and mess up your shots, fire their machine gun and give away your position.

Originally posted by Niroc:

With all that being said, anyone have recommendations on what nation I should try playing next? I am kinda looking for something that's a inbetween of US and German tanks if that makes sense.

Great Britain is a good balance. You have a good mix of heavily armored vehicles and lightweight vehicles, but you lose out on APHE pretty much as a whole, and instead only have solid shot. GB has a much higher skill ceiling because of their limited ammo viability, and you are punished heavily for not knowing the internal layout and weakspots of enemy vehicles.

yeah, suddenly bebrams players are braindead while leopards are actually able to have some thought, no less because m1 kvt and click bait are really popular, and your matches are filled with one death leaver rushers who are deaf and blind in their left eye

[DeAdEviL]

most of the new players start as germany sicne it is the most famous country. this is why you have braindead people in low br. top br all nations have the same amount of braindead people

[Astartes Regis]

If you want overall better teammates, most of the France/Sweden/Italy/Japan players seem to know what they are doing due to the nations being rough till about the cold war era, but because they are minor nations with fewer players you have a high chance of being put in a team with Germany so the suffering never ends.

[Alukat]

Originally posted by Niroc:

Yeah that makes sense and i came to accept the useless teammates as well after the 9th match in a row of watching every single tiger we had rush into close range brawls they aren't built for and get utterly memed on.

Well, you can't really do long range sniping matches in Tiger in Sweden, Advance to the Rhine, abandoned factory, abandoned town etc......

The Tiger-friendly maps, like Fulda; Red river etc. got moved to higher BRs.

[Nack321]

Started with germany: got to 9.7
Its a good nation to start. You have good guns and good armour if you know how to use it! At some br you suffer vs ussr(6.7) and then you have br where nobody has a good change vs you! (3.7-6.0)

Second nation was britain: got 8.0
For grb its really nice with strong ap shells but in gab you suffer! They have many funny vehicle like the fv 4005 and there wheeled tanks.

Thurd nation was ussr: got 8.3
Its stupid how many tanks there are where you can drive into your enemy because not many can you pen you easy at there br. They have really good sheels with big explosion mass. There guns often penn you even when they shouldnt(more penn than in the stat cards)

Fourth nation was Sweden: at 8.0
They have really good apds shells at the low br with tanks from other nations mixed in! You often have to play on both sides(german or ussr)

Five nation was France: at 6.0
You will suffer for the first 3-4 br! From 1.0 to 3.7 you only get 3 good tanks but after this you get the good ♥♥♥♥!

The 6 nation was Italy: at 4.0
Its funny you get many speedy boys and some ussr and hungary tanks.

Started some weeks ago with the us. Currently i am at 5.0 but i dont like this tree. It has to many sherman. Ma,be later it will be funny.

In the other nations i dont have many vehicle