How to survive as the F-14 IRIAF 13.0

[AndSoDerp]

Welp, the F-14 IRIAF is now at 13.0. Doesn't have the agility of a Gripen nor a Eurofighter, and it doesn't have enough countermeasures to pre flare an IR missile like the R73 or the AIM-9M, and the Fakours although still usable is outclassed by every radar guided missiles at its br.

So I ask how does one even use the F-14 at this BR or even survive? So far I pretty much now a ambush fighter by launching Fakours from low altitude at high altitude aircrafts or a support/clean up fighter with the AIM-7E-2s with the R-27s. Everything else, its just hopeless, its easier for me to just slam my aircraft into the ground than counter anything in my rear cuz they're just getting a free kill and I won't let them.

I can already see someone typing "It's actually very good at 13.0 you just sucks". Buddy just because you can doesn't mean everyone can the only reason I hear why it went up to 13.0 is because of the Fakours, and I am someone who has to learn from trial and error because people like you who refuse to give advise as well as the shame of even asking since according to you guys the F-14 is the easiest jet to use in top tier.

Update: Friendship over with IRIAF, F-14B is my new friend

[֎]

The F-14A is what could be considered a "transitional aircraft" between third and fourth gen fighters. While it is technically classified as a 4th gen fighter, it doesnt hold the same 4th gen capabilities of aircraft like the F-15/F-16/Su-27 just to name a few "true" 4th gen fighters.

The Aircraft found in 13.0-14.0 are TRUE 4th gen fighters, while aircraft like the mentioned Gripen is a 4.5th gen along with the Eurofighter being on the cusp of a "4.75 gen" otherwise known again as a "transitional aircraft" between 4.5th gen and 5th gen aircraft.

You are not wrong, you are not crazy, you are fighting aircraft 20-30 years more technologically advanced. Sure it can do "Fine" as this is a video game and players are far from perfect, if you rely on BVR tactics and a bit of luck, yeah you'll snag a kill or three, but it will never cook the same way again as a "multi-role fighter" like it did in 12.3-12.7, at least not with this BR compression. This BR change, for better or for worse, has made the F-14A IRIAF a "second choice" at its current placement as their are far better flight models around the same BR range.

[Venom]

Originally posted by AndSoDerp:

Welp, the F-14 IRIAF is now at 13.0. Doesn't have the agility of a Gripen nor a Eurofighter, and it doesn't have enough countermeasures to pre flare an IR missile like the R73 or the AIM-9M, and the Fakours although still usable is outclassed by every radar guided missiles at its br.

So I ask how does one even use the F-14 at this BR or even survive? So far I pretty much now a ambush fighter by launching Fakours from low altitude at high altitude aircrafts or a support/clean up fighter with the AIM-7E-2s with the R-27s. Everything else, its just hopeless, its easier for me to just slam my aircraft into the ground than counter anything in my rear cuz they're just getting a free kill and I won't let them.

I can already see someone typing "It's actually very good at 13.0 you just sucks". Buddy just because you can doesn't mean everyone can the only reason I hear why it went up to 13.0 is because of the Fakours, and I am someone who has to learn from trial and error because people like you who refuse to give advise as well as the shame of even asking since according to you guys the F-14 is the easiest jet to use in top tier.

Moving IRIAF to 13.0 is fine, from the point of view of the aircraft to 11.7 that could have encountered this aircraft and it was simply crazy and unbalanced. I don't see the problem in that and I agree with that.

The problem arises on the other side, if IRIAF gets to 13.7-14.0, i.e. the top tier. where this aircraft simply has nothing to do. Aim-54B, or Fakur simply cannot match modern Fox 3 missiles of the Aim-120B type, etc. Not to mention of course other important factors such as aircraft performance, speed, or flight characteristics, number of countermeasures, number of missiles which often prove to carry 8-12 missiles, etc.
For an F-14 from the 70s to fight behind Eurofighter, Rafale, etc. is a joke.

They are simply half-hearted solutions by Gaijin where on one hand they solve the problem, but on the other hand they create a new problem, so basically nothing was solved and it was all for nothing. One step back, one step back and we are in the same place. Only the group of players who suffer has changed. :)

I wrote about it a long time ago that the top tier should be moved to BR 14.7-15.0 BR and aircraft with modern Fox 3 and top tier flight characteristics should simply fight exclusively among themselves. With this idea, the F-14 could be moved even higher to BR 13.3, but it still wouldn't make it to the top tier and at the same time they would also relieve the lower BR of the F-14 than 12.0.

From 13.3 they could create a new group of aircraft where there would be F-14 and early versions of aircraft like F-16, Mig-29, F-15, SU-27, etc., which do not have older versions of Fox 3 like aim-54, but they already have relatively high-quality Fox 1 class radar missiles, but IRCCM IR missiles and especially flight performance which is significantly better than most aircraft on 11.7-12.0 type F-4, Mig-23, F1C, etc.

But unfortunately in ARB the balanc is overall very, very bad and the game can combine really pointless aircraft into one game, where the factor of your skill is significantly pushed into the background and rather decides on your matchmaking success.

[Venom]

Originally posted by ֎:

The F-14A is what could be considered a "transitional aircraft" between third and fourth gen fighters. While it is technically classified as a 4th gen fighter, it doesnt hold the same 4th gen capabilities of aircraft like the F-15/F-16/Su-27 just to name a few "true" 4th gen fighters.

The Aircraft found in 13.0-14.0 are TRUE 4th gen fighters, while aircraft like the mentioned Gripen is a 4.5th gen along with the Eurofighter being on the cusp of a "4.75 gen" otherwise known again as a "transitional aircraft" between 4.5th gen and 5th gen aircraft.

You are not wrong, you are not crazy, you are fighting aircraft 20-30 years more technologically advanced. Sure it can do "Fine" as this is a video game and players are far from perfect, if you rely on BVR tactics and a bit of luck, yeah you'll snag a kill or three, but it will never cook the same way again as a "multi-role fighter" like it did in 12.3-12.7, at least not with this BR compression. This BR change, for better or for worse, has made the F-14A IRIAF a "second choice" at its current placement as their are far better flight models around the same BR range.

Well, I personally can't imagine if someone bought an IRIAF for 90-100 GJN, for example, a week ago and Gaijin nerfed it in this way. :) That would really blow my mind and I would ask for a refund, even though I know that's not possible. :) I feel sorry for the players who paid such insanely high GJN for an aircraft that was devalued and nerfed in such a drastic way a week or two later. This aircraft really has nothing to do with aircraft like the Eurofighter, Rafale, etc.

[Qu Rahn]

Originally posted by AndSoDerp:

Welp, the F-14 IRIAF is now at 13.0. Doesn't have the agility of a Gripen nor a Eurofighter, and it doesn't have enough countermeasures to pre flare an IR missile like the R73 or the AIM-9M, and the Fakours although still usable is outclassed by every radar guided missiles at its br.

So I ask how does one even use the F-14 at this BR or even survive? So far I pretty much now a ambush fighter by launching Fakours from low altitude at high altitude aircrafts or a support/clean up fighter with the AIM-7E-2s with the R-27s. Everything else, its just hopeless, its easier for me to just slam my aircraft into the ground than counter anything in my rear cuz they're just getting a free kill and I won't let them.

I can already see someone typing "It's actually very good at 13.0 you just sucks". Buddy just because you can doesn't mean everyone can the only reason I hear why it went up to 13.0 is because of the Fakours, and I am someone who has to learn from trial and error because people like you who refuse to give advise as well as the shame of even asking since according to you guys the F-14 is the easiest jet to use in top tier.

That's just high tier air, extreme compression. It stomps 12.x and gets stomped by 13.x.
Imo the plane shouldn't even exist in its current form (no proof of R27s being successfully integrated into it, Fakours, Islamic Republic IAF F14.. what's that doing in the USA tree? It should be the Shah's F14A), but it is what it is.
Not much you can do, you have a powerful radar and Fakours. Flight performance is decent-ish but, just like other 13.0s, you'll be holding a candle to top tiers -- which you'll face all the time.

[Eila Deker]

the F-14B was okay at 13.0 so the IRIAF will be okay too with better Radar Missiles what we really need is a higher BR overall like 15.0

[Akagi]

It now sits at the same br as its F-14B brother and all the other "let's take a gen 3 jet and slap some Fox-3s onto it" like the Phantom ICE and those 13. Harriers

The real issue comes from those 13.0s constantly getting slammed into 14.0 and Gaijin doesn't really enjoy the concept of br decompression (or turning the 1.0 max uptier into .7)

[AndSoDerp]

Tried asking reddit for additional advice, gets laughed at.

[Akagi]

Originally posted by AndSoDerp:

Tried asking reddit for additional advice, gets laughed at.

I mean you're asking them how to dogfight in a plane that isn't designed for dogfights. It's like asking how to win a turnfight against a Zero in a P-47

[AndSoDerp]

Originally posted by Akagi:

Originally posted by AndSoDerp:

Tried asking reddit for additional advice, gets laughed at.

I mean you're asking them how to dogfight in a plane that isn't designed for dogfights. It's like asking how to win a turnfight against a Zero in a P-47

It's not only that its also because its the F-14 IRIAF. Like as if I'm supposed to get an ace every game and it's the most meta jet in 13.0

[Lt-AlphaFoxtrot]

move 14.0 planes to 14.3. Perhaps will fix it. after 5 games, I stopped playing F-14 IRIAF. You dont stand a chance against modern plane with plenty of fox 3s.

[Venom]

Originally posted by Eila Deker:

the F-14B was okay at 13.0 so the IRIAF will be okay too with better Radar Missiles what we really need is a higher BR overall like 15.0

Exactly, top tier needs 15.0 BR. F-14 can go to BR 13.3, that way aircraft from BR 12.0 lower will not meet F-14 and F-14 will not meet top tier and aircraft 4.5-4.75 gen aircraft. Problem solved. At the same time, early versions of aircraft such as F-16, Mig-29, SU-27, F-15, etc. which do not have modern Fox 3 Aim-120, etc., but have the flight performance of top tier can also be moved to 13.3 and an ideal situation will arise.

The problem is that this does not only apply to these BRs, but e.g. also 11.0-11.3 where these planes again encounter BR 12.0-12.3 where they encounter Magic 2 35g IRCCM missiles, R-73 top tier IR missiles, Aim-7F with excellent radar on F-4S, or now also F-16 which you can meet on 11.3 which in flight performance surpasses almost everything that is on these BR.

Overall, ARBs are really quite unbalanced in many ways and planes that can be met in one game are often on a completely different performance level.

Basically it doesn't matter whether we are talking about BR or matchmaking, matchmaking could really solve this problem and planes wouldn't have to move in BR. Planes could for example have their own unique matchmaking due to their abilities. Some might have 0.3 BR in matchmaking max, others 1.0, etc.

[sunka]

skill issue

[Lt-AlphaFoxtrot]

Originally posted by sunka:

skill issue

Yup, someone doesn't really understand the issue will intricately tell anyone skill issue.

[Toomski2000 - Recovery Guy]

Unfortunately at the end of the day the maps are way too small for modern aircraft
Which is why so many of the best missiles like the Phoenix, AMRAAM's etc etc etc have such a pathetic lock range, leaving aircraft like the F-14 and so many others, which should begin engaging targets way out to 100km if you could play them as they were designed to do, means for now anyway you can't get the best from too many aircraft at high tiers.
We all know in it's day the F-14 to use your example, was a decent dogfighter and long range interceptor, but that was about 40 years ago and to have it moved to a 13 is just a joke.

[BlackWolf9988]

just like before focus on BVR combat. fakours are the most OP fastest fox 3 in the game. if you still struggle with that its 100% a skill issue.