German and Japan

[Diddler]

What nation has better ground and what nation has better planes?

[[MadTs] Phyrys]

100% German for ground, and it depends for air. Japan are more nimble, but Germany doesn't fold like wet tissue paper when they're shot at, and have better guns and ammo. I'll let people less lazy than me explain the details.

[Shively]

Germany is one of the best trees for ground despite the moans of its playerbase.

Japanese air can be a real mixed bag. Some of the planes are excellent turn fighters with good armament but lose out in dives and can't really chase the enemy despite having great climb rates as well. Otherwise their boom and zoomers can be somewhat effective, the couple that the tree has at least. Post-WW2 the air tree becomes a hodgepodge of decent airframes from other nations, though sometimes with lesser secondary weapons available.

[Sierra-Six-Four]

Japan for ground in 11.3 and up, germany is stronger in 9.3-10.7.
Germany has only the eurofighter for toptier and most of the other jets are just UDSSR variants that the DDR used, so not really that much domestic stuff there.

[Aaron]

Originally posted by Sierra-Six-Four:

Japan for ground in 11.3 and up, germany is stronger in 9.3-10.7.
Germany has only the eurofighter for toptier and most of the other jets are just UDSSR variants that the DDR used, so not really that much domestic stuff there.

How is Japan better at Top Tier than Germany? Germany not just has better Vehicles available but also more. Japan only has two 12BR MBTs and three 11.3 of which two are basically just fast-Reload 2A4 but uglier and made of paper and not viable unless you don't get Uptiered to 12BR and they have no available IFV to take with you into Top Tier except maybe Type 89 from 9BR meanwhile Germany has four 12BR MBTs, two 11.7 MBTs, two PUMA's which are better than ICV (P) / Type 89, and also FlaRakRad.

And Germany is also far more future-proof for coming Content, Japan barely even has anything left to be added

[Aaron]

Germany is far better in Ground from bottom to Top. Not just better but also has way more variety and way more future-proof for upcoming Content.

Japan is basically a dead Tree only going to be filled with Copy+Paste Subtrees in future.


No Idea about Planes since i don't play Air but looking at it after WW2 you might as well play USA Aircraft instead of Japanese because its all just Muricanese

[Sphinxter]

I'd say that it is dependent on what suits your type of play. The more skill you have the more you will change your play style to suit the tank, and then it doesn't matter which nations you chose.

[Sierra-Six-Four]

Originally posted by Aaron:

Originally posted by Sierra-Six-Four:

Japan for ground in 11.3 and up, germany is stronger in 9.3-10.7.
Germany has only the eurofighter for toptier and most of the other jets are just UDSSR variants that the DDR used, so not really that much domestic stuff there.

How is Japan better at Top Tier than Germany? Germany not just has better Vehicles available but also more. Japan only has two 12BR MBTs and three 11.3 of which two are basically just fast-Reload 2A4 but uglier and made of paper and not viable unless you don't get Uptiered to 12BR and they have no available IFV to take with you into Top Tier except maybe Type 89 from 9BR meanwhile Germany has four 12BR MBTs, two 11.7 MBTs, two PUMA's which are better than ICV (P) / Type 89, and also FlaRakRad.

And Germany is also far more future-proof for coming Content, Japan barely even has anything left to be added

Type 90s are faster, has hydro, autoloader and if u know where to shoot, armor does nothing for u.
yes they don't got any IFVs but what does a puma get u for its spawn points? a gun that barely kills fast enough anything better armored than an wheely boi and some spikes that are most efficient against hovering helis, great.
yes Japan don't got a SACLOS spaa but an IR with photocontrast mode that simply ignores flares and got a more than decent overload.
Yes germany has more Leopards but despite the A7v variant, they all got the same basic weakspots, only the A7v is better because of its spall liner and the addon armor on its front.
But i'll ask u this: how many matches u got where u can decently play your entire germany lineup before one team just leaves after one or two death and u are stuck in a spawntrap?

[Venom]

Originally posted by Diddler:

What nation has better ground and what nation has better planes?

If I only evaluate it superficially, then Germany has more powerful BRs across the board. Leopards are one of the best tanks in the game, Tigers 1,2, Panther, JagTiger, etc. So the overall rating for the country is Germany.

For aircraft, I have Japan. At lower BRs, the best rotating aircraft in the game with the lowest turn time. At higher BRs, again, F5E with Mavarick from 11.3, higher F-15, etc.

But for example, Japan has an excellent 11.3 BR, which is better than Germany. Fuji, TKX, SPAA Tip 81 which probably has the longest range within IR missiles are decently effective, plus SV F-5E which is an excellent dog fighter against aircraft but also excellent CAS with Mavarick at a relatively friendly BR, meaning you can fulfill the CAS role for one spawn and after firing the missiles Mavarick can boldly go into battle with the enemy in the aircraft which is a big advantage. You simply have a set in which no matter what you choose, whether it's a tank, a sleeper, or a plane, it's an excellent and, above all, fun machine. That's why I like playing this Japanese BR.

Personally, if I have to choose which nation to play for, I choose Japan 11.3 BR. But it is of course a question of preference, the game play you like and the fact that e.g. Leopards are in many other nations, meaning that you are already a bit lost to that tank, while the Japanese TKX, Fuji are nowhere to be found and are unique and only Japanese tanks.

In Germany, I like to play BR 9.3, 9.7, - 10.0 where they are really fun machines.


Summary, if you are a beginner, deciding which nation to research first for the top tier, or you have only one nation researched for the top tier, I recommend Germany. Thanks to its diversity and size of the tree, it will offer you better options for events, BattlePass, or various game modes like SIM, etc. Japan is a tree more for players who already have 3-4 basic nations like Germany, Russia, USA, etc. researched and want to play something new, different, fun.

[Aaron]

Originally posted by Venom:

Originally posted by Diddler:

What nation has better ground and what nation has better planes?

If I only evaluate it superficially, then Germany has more powerful BRs across the board. Leopards are one of the best tanks in the game, Tigers 1,2, Panther, JagTiger, etc. So the overall rating for the country is Germany.

For aircraft, I have Japan. At lower BRs, the best rotating aircraft in the game with the lowest turn time. At higher BRs, again, F5E with Mavarick from 11.3, higher F-15, etc.

But for example, Japan has an excellent 11.3 BR, which is better than Germany. Fuji, TKX, SPAA Tip 81 which probably has the longest range within IR missiles are decently effective, plus SV F-5E which is an excellent dog fighter against aircraft but also excellent CAS with Mavarick at a relatively friendly BR, meaning you can fulfill the CAS role for one spawn and after firing the missiles Mavarick can boldly go into battle with the enemy in the aircraft which is a big advantage. You simply have a set in which no matter what you choose, whether it's a tank, a sleeper, or a plane, it's an excellent and, above all, fun machine. That's why I like playing this Japanese BR.

Personally, if I have to choose which nation to play for, I choose Japan 11.3 BR. But it is of course a question of preference, the game play you like and the fact that e.g. Leopards are in many other nations, meaning that you are already a bit lost to that tank, while the Japanese TKX, Fuji are nowhere to be found and are unique and only Japanese tanks.

In Germany, I like to play BR 9.3, 9.7, - 10.0 where they are really fun machines.

Of course Japan 11.3 is better than Germanys...because Germany has no 11.3. And Japan is filled with ODL now with the Fuji Sale.

Not really a strong Point for an entire Tree if only 11.3 is good and it is only good as long as you don't get Uptiered to 12BR. In every single other BR where there is an direct comparison Germany completely dominates

[Aaron]

Originally posted by Sierra-Six-Four:

But i'll ask u this: how many matches u got where u can decently play your entire germany lineup before one team just leaves after one or two death and u are stuck in a spawntrap?

Depends on how i play but if i die multiple times i'd rather have multiple viable and strong Options to field instead of only...two...

[Sierra-Six-Four]

Originally posted by Aaron:

Originally posted by Venom:

If I only evaluate it superficially, then Germany has more powerful BRs across the board. Leopards are one of the best tanks in the game, Tigers 1,2, Panther, JagTiger, etc. So the overall rating for the country is Germany.

For aircraft, I have Japan. At lower BRs, the best rotating aircraft in the game with the lowest turn time. At higher BRs, again, F5E with Mavarick from 11.3, higher F-15, etc.

But for example, Japan has an excellent 11.3 BR, which is better than Germany. Fuji, TKX, SPAA Tip 81 which probably has the longest range within IR missiles are decently effective, plus SV F-5E which is an excellent dog fighter against aircraft but also excellent CAS with Mavarick at a relatively friendly BR, meaning you can fulfill the CAS role for one spawn and after firing the missiles Mavarick can boldly go into battle with the enemy in the aircraft which is a big advantage. You simply have a set in which no matter what you choose, whether it's a tank, a sleeper, or a plane, it's an excellent and, above all, fun machine. That's why I like playing this Japanese BR.

Personally, if I have to choose which nation to play for, I choose Japan 11.3 BR. But it is of course a question of preference, the game play you like and the fact that e.g. Leopards are in many other nations, meaning that you are already a bit lost to that tank, while the Japanese TKX, Fuji are nowhere to be found and are unique and only Japanese tanks.

In Germany, I like to play BR 9.3, 9.7, - 10.0 where they are really fun machines.

Of course Japan 11.3 is better than Germanys...because Germany has no 11.3. And Japan is filled with ODL now with the Fuji Sale.

Not really a strong Point for an entire Tree if only 11.3 is good and it is only good as long as you don't get Uptiered to 12BR. In every single other BR where there is an direct comparison Germany completely dominates

every nation is filled with ODL after a sale, thats not a unique situation for Japan and they are also good in lower BRs like 9.3-9.7 and around the BR 6-6.7 and the 11.3 is very uptier proof because the overall vehicles u see and their weakspots are the same.
Btw. germany is a freaking dumpster fire in the BR 8 range but nobody talks about that...

[Aaron]

Originally posted by Sierra-Six-Four:

Originally posted by Aaron:

Of course Japan 11.3 is better than Germanys...because Germany has no 11.3. And Japan is filled with ODL now with the Fuji Sale.

Not really a strong Point for an entire Tree if only 11.3 is good and it is only good as long as you don't get Uptiered to 12BR. In every single other BR where there is an direct comparison Germany completely dominates

every nation is filled with ODL after a sale, thats not a unique situation for Japan and they are also good in lower BRs like 9.3-9.7 and around the BR 6-6.7 and the 11.3 is very uptier proof because the overall vehicles u see and their weakspots are the same.
Btw. germany is a freaking dumpster fire in the BR 8 range but nobody talks about that...

Can't really say that from my experience. I have some of the highest Winrate throughout all BRs with Germany, i play Germany/China/Sweden/USSR and Germany is definitely the best.

11.3 Japan only better as long as Germany doesn't have an 11.3 Line Up...wait until Fartjin adds the experimental 2A4 with an 140mm Cannon...also 9-10BR Germany is better too...6BR not even up for debate....don't even understand how anyone can think Japans Tree would be better than almost any Tree at this Point really let alone Germanys....China is more interesting at 9BR and above and way more future-proof too. Japans just a dead Tree as said; only interesting thing Leopard copies with fast reload and Chi-Ha LG

[Venom]

Originally posted by Sierra-Six-Four:

Originally posted by Aaron:

Of course Japan 11.3 is better than Germanys...because Germany has no 11.3. And Japan is filled with ODL now with the Fuji Sale.

Not really a strong Point for an entire Tree if only 11.3 is good and it is only good as long as you don't get Uptiered to 12BR. In every single other BR where there is an direct comparison Germany completely dominates

every nation is filled with ODL after a sale, thats not a unique situation for Japan and they are also good in lower BRs like 9.3-9.7 and around the BR 6-6.7 and the 11.3 is very uptier proof because the overall vehicles u see and their weakspots are the same.
Btw. germany is a freaking dumpster fire in the BR 8 range but nobody talks about that...

As I later added to my post for better understanding, Japan is better for more experienced players who already have some trees researched to the top tier and are looking for something new, fun, rather than just playing the same tanks over and over again that are often repeated in other nations.

Germany is suitable for beginners who offer a large and diverse tree with a larger number of quality compositions. To be honest, I researched Germany as one of the last nations. There are plenty of Leopards and I played them in Sweden, Italy, etc. so I wasn't too keen on playing them in Germany either. And paradoxically, I consider the best Leopards in the game in the Swedish tree to be the Strv 122B+ and in the Italian 2A7 HU. :)

[Chaoslord 87]

Originally posted by Aaron:

Of course Japan 11.3 is better than Germanys...because Germany has no 11.3. And Japan is filled with ODL now with the Fuji Sale.

Not really a strong Point for an entire Tree if only 11.3 is good and it is only good as long as you don't get Uptiered to 12BR. In every single other BR where there is an direct comparison Germany completely dominates

4.7 is also pretty neat with both Chi-To´s, Chi-Nu II, M44, M42 SPAA and M24.
5.0 when you pick the Chi-Ri II is also good but at full uptier, the long 75´s are struggling.

Also part of Germanys dominance comes from his very favourable (or strange) BR ratings.
A very good example are the BR´s of the long Panzer IV´s (F2, G,H and J), which are to low for what they are capable of.

The Chi-Nu II is basically a Panzer IV F2 in almost every regard but sits at 4.3 while the F2 is at 3.3.
And both Chi-To´s are more or less Panzer IV G and H but yet again a full BR higher with 4.7 compared to 3.7 for the P IV G and H.

[Piggies Go Moo]

On paper Germany should have better ground than Japan, yet for pretty much every rank except Rank 1, your winrate with ground Japan will be higher. If you don't believe me, try playing Rank 2 Japan ground and then Rank 2 German ground. As Germany, you will get dominated and spawn-camped in more than 50% of games unless you are a top 10% skilled player. With Japan rank 2, it feels much more like a 50/50 if you are an average player.