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[hi_1002]

Publicado originalmente por Cercamon:

I haven't had a single decent match with the Tiger II H. I can't penetrate but I get penetrated. It could be me not knowing where to shoot but it can't a coincidence that many times.

The hull is unkillable without post war APDS or HEAT. The turret face is weakest point at 185mm. Tiger 2 H has same issue as the panther and tiger 1 but can't be put higher because of increasing number of HEAT FS.

[Labdog]

Imagine maining Germany lmao

(I have stepped on a hornet's nest I know it)

[Suthirak_D42]

It suffers by its players

[denkserw]

Publicado originalmente por Warspawn:

Heh, if you play 4.7/5.0/5.3 US you will know the definition of SUFFER when you're facing the 5.7 Panthers and Tigers...

When I got those unlocked in my German tree it was pure joy to be giving instead of receiving, lol! I do so love the 5.7 Panther A & F synergy with the Tiger E and twin 37mm Osty....and of course the Waffentrager is the finger of death in my line-up there.



<S!>
~War~

Yes, I play most of the time USA and Russian tanks.....with Usa 4.7-5.3-5.7you have no chance to kill panther A,D,F the shells are useless against them...even from the side without angle I need to hit them many times to get a kill...8 from 10 battles are uptiers, so we suffer against german tanks in these BR.

[hi_1002]

Publicado originalmente por denkserw:

Publicado originalmente por Warspawn:

Heh, if you play 4.7/5.0/5.3 US you will know the definition of SUFFER when you're facing the 5.7 Panthers and Tigers...

When I got those unlocked in my German tree it was pure joy to be giving instead of receiving, lol! I do so love the 5.7 Panther A & F synergy with the Tiger E and twin 37mm Osty....and of course the Waffentrager is the finger of death in my line-up there.



<S!>
~War~

Yes, I play most of the time USA and Russian tanks.....with Usa 4.7-5.3-5.7you have no chance to kill panther A,D,F the shells are useless against them...even from the side without angle I need to hit them many times to get a kill...8 from 10 battles are uptiers, so we suffer against german tanks in these BR.

Sorry are you using APCR? What shell needs multiple hits on the side?

[denkserw]

Publicado originalmente por hi_1002:

Publicado originalmente por denkserw:

Yes, I play most of the time USA and Russian tanks.....with Usa 4.7-5.3-5.7you have no chance to kill panther A,D,F the shells are useless against them...even from the side without angle I need to hit them many times to get a kill...8 from 10 battles are uptiers, so we suffer against german tanks in these BR.

Sorry are you using APCR? What shell needs multiple hits on the side?

I`m using APCBC...this is the best shell USA tanks have for BR 4.7-5-7...with the T-34-85 APHEBC, but with the russian I have some chance to kill them to their week spots even from the front medium tanks....with the USA forget about if you have to confront the german tanks, you are dead even with heavy tank... T20 is good enough, has mobility, but against same BR and up german tanks suffer the power to make a kill (like all the USA tanks same BR)

[кят Ruff]

trying to play 4.7 and running into nothing but tigers and panthers is bullsheeet

[hi_1002]

Publicado originalmente por denkserw:

Publicado originalmente por hi_1002:

Sorry are you using APCR? What shell needs multiple hits on the side?

I`m using APCBC...this is the best shell USA tanks have for BR 4.7-5-7...with the T-34-85 APHEBC, but with the russian I have some chance to kill them to their week spots even from the front medium tanks....with the USA forget about if you have to confront the german tanks, you are dead even with heavy tank... T20 is good enough, has mobility, but against same BR and up german tanks suffer the power to make a kill (like all the USA tanks same BR)

You can frontally kill panthers with solid APCBC by hitting the turret face a few times. I have had no issue doing it with the UK (I managed to kill a panther D with the cromwell 1 frontally with this method).

[denkserw]

Publicado originalmente por UKRuffplays:

trying to play 4.7 and running into nothing but tigers and panthers is bullsheeet

Few days ago my M6A1 got killed with artillery at once from Wirbelwind... I never have seen this before

[denkserw]

Publicado originalmente por hi_1002:

Publicado originalmente por denkserw:

I`m using APCBC...this is the best shell USA tanks have for BR 4.7-5-7...with the T-34-85 APHEBC, but with the russian I have some chance to kill them to their week spots even from the front medium tanks....with the USA forget about if you have to confront the german tanks, you are dead even with heavy tank... T20 is good enough, has mobility, but against same BR and up german tanks suffer the power to make a kill (like all the USA tanks same BR)

You can frontally kill panthers with solid APCBC by hitting the turret face a few times. I have had no issue doing it with the UK (I managed to kill a panther D with the cromwell 1 frontally with this method).

Noooo with the USA tanks, but I can kill them with russian tanks

[hi_1002]

Publicado originalmente por denkserw:

Publicado originalmente por hi_1002:

You can frontally kill panthers with solid APCBC by hitting the turret face a few times. I have had no issue doing it with the UK (I managed to kill a panther D with the cromwell 1 frontally with this method).

Noooo with the USA tanks, but I can kill them with russian tanks

Is it a solid shot? If so what I said earlier applies to any nations solid shot.

[Giardino Roccioso]

hell no they are really really good. I play at 5.3 and they are far better than american tanks at that BR. American tanks suck at 5.3 because they either have ♥♥♥♥ armor and a good main gun or good armor and ♥♥♥♥ main gun. just look at the fact that the first Jumbo you get to play is a tank with a 3.3 BR cannon. it won't do any damage to anything, the only chance to kill is to come across people exposing their side. it's pathetic.

[hsf_]

Publicado originalmente por Mr. Teddy Did Some Warcrimes:

Publicado originalmente por hsf_:

Here we go again...

No the Germans do not suffer.

The Panthers and the Tiger I's especially are horribly under tiered. The problem is those are the most popular tanks that get played, so inexperienced and unskilled players play it and cause it to be dropped in BR to the point that good players never die in them.

You want to talk about a nation that 'suffers' maybe look at the Glass Cannon nation that is Britain and it's Gucci repair costs, or perhaps the meme-worthy Japanese.

Germany suffers, grow up.

Undertiered? ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥...
Panther? perfect at its br.
Tiger, perfect at it br but put it in 6.3 and it struggles, 6.7 and its hell. A short 88 gun than can pen as much, angling which is occasionally neglected because they can pen you anyway.

By your logic, the Panzer III M and StuH 42 G should be in 4.0 instead of 3.0
Like a tiger they can bounce way to many things and just tank most shots but most people don't play it right or take advantage of their tanks features.

Im just gonna be a bit rude because the way you typed it ticks me off, I do not argue with the Japanese or British suffering, but please, what makes the Tiger and Panther "horribly under tiered" as you say.

I'm able to bounce almost everything if I angle correctly and it doesn't really matter where I shoot the enemy, they will suffer heavy damage or die instantly. Even when I'm uptiered to 6.3 or 6.7 I can still be competitive if I play smart. For example I have a few battles with Centurion Mk.1's and come out the victor.

I find that for me personally it's most competitive when I'm uptiered in the Tiger I's. In a regular tier or downtier it's just far too easy and you barely have to think unless your opponents are of a decent skill level, but when uptiered it actually becomes a challenge and I feel evenly matched with my enemies(aside from one or two which are also undertiered themselves).

The Tiger II's I won't argue with, they are perfectly fine where they are as they have easy to hit weak spots, plus the cannon barrels are made of papermache.

[cheeki-breekiv1.1]

as soviet t34 main screw both the tiger and the panther i cant kill you dudes from the front i have to flank and one shot you from the side or ram one your tank and shoot your turret side armor just to kill you two dudes

[LordBUM]

my guy that's the whole point of armor you're not supposed to pen the front of every tank in the game there are tanks that even the panthers and tigers cant pen from the front don't complain about armor that's doing what it was designed to do if you cant pen something from the front then use that knowledge for the future so you don't get yourself killed