can't pull hard in sim/autotrim

[gegejake]

was testing the p-51c-10 in sim and i can't pull up hard without rolling and yawing all over the place. i assume this is intentional, but how can i get past this?

smaller question - can i use autotrim in sim battles? it hasn't seemed to work for me

[Nenne.]

There is no such thing as auto in Sim..
Thats why it is called sim.

[Jaes]

You're yanking on the stick too hard more than likely.

It's possible to pull the controls too hard and cause a plane to stall out. It happens all the time. Realistic Battles has the "Instructor" that prevents this from happening and gives a very arcade feeling to aircraft maneuvers.

You're going to need to learn the tolerance of the safe "Angles of Attack" for your aircraft.

[gegejake]

Originally posted by Nenne.:

There is no such thing as auto in Sim..
Thats why it is called sim.

i've seen video with little notes popping up on the screen saying things like "elevator trim -29%" or whatever and i don't understand that

Originally posted by Jaes:

You're yanking on the stick too hard more than likely.

It's possible to pull the controls too hard and cause a plane to stall out. It happens all the time. Realistic Battles has the "Instructor" that prevents this from happening and gives a very arcade feeling to aircraft maneuvers.

You're going to need to learn the tolerance of the safe "Angles of Attack" for your aircraft.

air speed is never particularly low, pulling up from dives in excess of 400 kmph still causes me to stall out. this is definitely above stalling speed for the mustang...

[Sirus]

Dude...this is not a "war thunder" issue. This is how the planes actually worked. You CANNOT pull back 100% on your stick. Go try the same thing in IL2 with max realistic settings and you will get the same result.

[Sirus]

There might be some planes that allow you to pull harder than others but I know for sure the p51 at least starts to "slide" and eventually stall way harder than other planes if you pull max AoA

[Eftwyrd]

to dumb it down while most obviously tied to airspeed stalling is caused by not enough airflow over the wing resulting in not enough lift.

You are achieving such a state by travelling quickly in one direction and yanking your aircraft around too violently to face another so the angle of attack, that is the angle your wing is relative to the airflow, is too great. The airflow is not clean forward to back so the particular shape the wing uses to create lift is doing nothing for you

[Jaes]

Originally posted by gegejake:

air speed is never particularly low, pulling up from dives in excess of 400 kmph still causes me to stall out. this is definitely above stalling speed for the mustang...

A stall is not inherently caused by low airspeed, that's just an aspect of it.

A stall is a lack of lift over the wings to keep your plane in the air.

If you disrupt the airflow over the wings by coming in at an angle of attack that makes it impossible to maintain enough airflow over the wings, you stall.


If you're yanking your stick all the way back, you will pitch your nose to such a degree that you disrupt the airflow over your wings and you will cause a stall. This is the most common way that aircraft stall and why pilots generally practice getting out of these kinds of stalls.

[Santa Claus]

Originally posted by gegejake:

i've seen video with little notes popping up on the screen saying things like "elevator trim -29%" or whatever and i don't understand that

Some planes can set some or all trim while flying and others can only set certain trim while in "test flight". This simulates trim that could only be factory set I guess. With every plane I want to fly in Sim, I first go to test flight, take off and get to a cruising speed. Then I set the trim for roll, yaw and pitch to get a stable flight with usually a little positive pitch. Then I hit [ALT]+[T] to save the trim settings. When you have saved trim settings you'll see that "-29%" or whatever you have trim saved as on spawn in.

[E-Man720]

Originally posted by gegejake:

Originally posted by Nenne.:

There is no such thing as auto in Sim..
Thats why it is called sim.

i've seen video with little notes popping up on the screen saying things like "elevator trim -29%" or whatever and i don't understand that

Originally posted by Jaes:

You're yanking on the stick too hard more than likely.

It's possible to pull the controls too hard and cause a plane to stall out. It happens all the time. Realistic Battles has the "Instructor" that prevents this from happening and gives a very arcade feeling to aircraft maneuvers.

You're going to need to learn the tolerance of the safe "Angles of Attack" for your aircraft.

air speed is never particularly low, pulling up from dives in excess of 400 kmph still causes me to stall out. this is definitely above stalling speed for the mustang...

So first off Autotrim doesn't seem to work at all, to the point I don't know what it does at all.

2nd, high speed stalls are a thing, and what your experiencing is tip stalls, so whats said above, but the wing tip stalls first causing it to drop.

[gegejake]

Originally posted by Jaes:

Originally posted by gegejake:

air speed is never particularly low, pulling up from dives in excess of 400 kmph still causes me to stall out. this is definitely above stalling speed for the mustang...

A stall is not inherently caused by low airspeed, that's just an aspect of it.

A stall is a lack of lift over the wings to keep your plane in the air.

If you disrupt the airflow over the wings by coming in at an angle of attack that makes it impossible to maintain enough airflow over the wings, you stall.


If you're yanking your stick all the way back, you will pitch your nose to such a degree that you disrupt the airflow over your wings and you will cause a stall. This is the most common way that aircraft stall and why pilots generally practice getting out of these kinds of stalls.

this explains it nicely. thank you

Originally posted by Santa Claus:

Originally posted by gegejake:

i've seen video with little notes popping up on the screen saying things like "elevator trim -29%" or whatever and i don't understand that

Some planes can set some or all trim while flying and others can only set certain trim while in "test flight". This simulates trim that could only be factory set I guess. With every plane I want to fly in Sim, I first go to test flight, take off and get to a cruising speed. Then I set the trim for roll, yaw and pitch to get a stable flight with usually a little positive pitch. Then I hit [ALT]+[T] to save the trim settings. When you have saved trim settings you'll see that "-29%" or whatever you have trim saved as on spawn in.

this as well :)