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hurepoix 2015 年 9 月 30 日 下午 2:31
T34-85 vs panther ; br diff justified ?
At least in arcade I have doubt.

The other side of these tanks BR is what they will have to fight. A T35-85 could encounter 6 up to 6.3. Shortly nothing really problematic with rares exceptions.

A panther is supposed to defeat 6.7 to 7.0, here is an other matter.

I play both, and really I feel more confortable/secure with T34-85 than panther.

I simply feel on is overated or the other underated.

Opinion ?
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Handiry 2015 年 9 月 30 日 下午 3:57 
The Panthers after the "Panther D" are considered to be overtiered compared to the Panther D. since their angled armour, firepower and Decent speed are outmatched by some of the Russian Meduim tanks and stronger heavy armour.
Shoebsy 2015 年 9 月 30 日 下午 4:04 
Rule of thumb with me is that a good amount of German armour is a little stronger than it ever should be, it's totally possible for an 'equal rated' tank of another nation to fight with it's german counterpart and maybe it's only my luck, but I never seem to do much (if anything at all) when fighting them.
Rumpelcrutchskin 2015 年 9 月 30 日 下午 5:43 
I like T-34-85 and T-34-85 (D-5T) lot more then Panthers, especially the Panther D. The soviet ballistic cap ammo is much more reliable in one-shotting the opposition and you have decent mobility and turret traverse with good load times.
I had many occasions when shooting exact same spot on same tank that soviet ballistic cap ammo killed with one shot and Panther just failed to kill.
Same thing happens a lot when you compare IS-2 with Tiger II, IS-2 shot kills, Tiger II shot in the same place just sprays the cabin with damage and tank lives.
GoldenBears 2015 年 9 月 30 日 下午 5:49 
引用自 Kiroshi
Rule of thumb with me is that a good amount of German armour is a little stronger than it ever should be, it's totally possible for an 'equal rated' tank of another nation to fight with it's german counterpart and maybe it's only my luck, but I never seem to do much (if anything at all) when fighting them.

Funny considering how overnerfed German tanks are...

Leopard is going 20kph slower on flat ground than it should
Maus is missing 20mm of turret armor
Maus/Jagdtiger are missing APDS
Maus/Jagdtiger are missing 40mm of pen with standard AP
Tiger II is missing 5% of its armor
T-54 gets ridiculous theoretical reload rate of ~6 rounds per minute, yet Panther doesn't get its ridiculous theoretical reload rate of 20 rounds per minute.
Leo 1/M60 are missing 50mm of pen with APDS.
Maus has 3x the repair cost os the T-10 in AB
Leopard has 2k more repair cost than the T-54 in AB
The list goes on.... So many nerfs have been made to German tanks that Russian tanks don't have to deal with. This game is basically "Hey, let's get rid of all the advantages German tanks had historically but keep all the disadvantages, and let's get rid of all the disadvantages of Russian tanks but keep all the advantages.
Spaddobird 2015 年 9 月 30 日 下午 6:03 
The biggest issue with the Panther tanks is their weak turret face, that spot is often a 1 shot kill or disable. The hull armour is satisfactory when angled and you can't complain about the Panther's mobility.

The T-34-85 and -100 are both glass cannons, their armour may as well not even be there but their mobility more than makes up for it. In my opinion, the Panther F and T-34-85 are a good match for each other, maybe even a little swayed in the F's favor. The Panther II of course would be too much for the -85 but the -100 would match it well.
TaxFraudTodd 2015 年 9 月 30 日 下午 6:30 
引用自 hurepoix
At least in arcade I have doubt.

The other side of these tanks BR is what they will have to fight. A T35-85 could encounter 6 up to 6.3. Shortly nothing really problematic with rares exceptions.

A panther is supposed to defeat 6.7 to 7.0, here is an other matter.

I play both, and really I feel more confortable/secure with T34-85 than panther.

I simply feel on is overated or the other underated.

Opinion ?
The reason why the T-34 has a lower br is because of the armor it has and the gun. Now if it had a better version of one over the other then it will have the same br. Now the reason why the panther has a higher br is because it has more armor and shoots better ammo so it could have a chance to pen more armored tanks while the T-34 would have to fight by only flanking.

and welcome back Golden.
hurepoix 2015 年 9 月 30 日 下午 6:31 
引用自 Spaddobird
In my opinion, the Panther F and T-34-85 are a good match for each other, maybe even a little swayed in the F's favor.

there 1 to 1.3 BR between panther F and T34-85, so 3 to 4 ''classes''. Point panther is the only one I never played.

I just finished a battle with a 5.7 battle line tiger H1 panther D and JPIV 70 vomag. I had 6.7 germans big asses in front of me. It s a bit no match. I have never this problem with a 5.3/5.0 russian battle line. You can possibly have hard time but it s roughly fair.
It will anyway finish, I will boycott any game with my 5.7 battle including 6.7, not play, play AA or quite. BR prb is anyway an other matter.

It seems to me t34-85 and panther are about the same class, each one have advantages and weakness toward the other. I anyway prefer the t34-85. Just the reverse speed on panther is a pain, that make it a poor dancer (hit and run on cover). T34-85 anyway beat panther in any compartment for speed and agility.
最後修改者:hurepoix; 2015 年 9 月 30 日 下午 6:33
hurepoix 2015 年 9 月 30 日 下午 6:45 
引用自 ToddTheTroll2142
Now the reason why the panther has a higher br is because it has more armor and shoots better ammo so it could have a chance to pen more armored tanks while the T-34 would have to fight by only flanking.

and welcome back Golden.

More armour, only for front plate, and a weakenes on the lower front corner of the turret. For the gun, it s penetration VS damage. For movement it s all for the T34.

As high could be the panther penetration, It s improtant to keep in mind what they will have to fight. T34-85 are always weaker in the average due to it s lower BR.

Now if I imagine I fight in a tiger and in front of me is a panther or a T34-85, I will be equally careful for both.
最後修改者:hurepoix; 2015 年 9 月 30 日 下午 6:46
TaxFraudTodd 2015 年 9 月 30 日 下午 6:57 
引用自 hurepoix
引用自 ToddTheTroll2142
Now the reason why the panther has a higher br is because it has more armor and shoots better ammo so it could have a chance to pen more armored tanks while the T-34 would have to fight by only flanking.

and welcome back Golden.

More armour, only for front plate, and a weakenes on the lower front corner of the turret. For the gun, it s penetration VS damage. For movement it s all for the T34.

As high could be the panther penetration, It s improtant to keep in mind what they will have to fight. T34-85 are always weaker in the average due to it s lower BR.

Now if I imagine I fight in a tiger and in front of me is a panther or a T34-85, I will be equally careful for both.
Yes thats true but instead of a tiger I it could be a tiger II and the panther has an advantage that the T-34 doesn't have which is an apcr round that can pen the turret of a tiger II H.
hurepoix 2015 年 9 月 30 日 下午 7:16 
T34-85 dont fight usually Tiger II, it s up their BR. Sadly it s not for panther that is a 5.7 to 6.3. That make even the first panther is at risk to fight tiger 2, (5.7 vs 6.7). T34-85 are usually immune to these bad surprises except you wish it, including for exemple a t34.85 in your 6.0 battle line.
TaxFraudTodd 2015 年 9 月 30 日 下午 7:26 
引用自 hurepoix
T34-85 dont fight usually Tiger II, it s up their BR. Sadly it s not for panther that is a 5.7 to 6.3. That make even the first panther is at risk to fight tiger 2, (5.7 vs 6.7). T34-85 are usually immune to these bad surprises except you wish it, including for exemple a t34.85 in your 6.0 battle line.
Yes I know it wouldn't fight a tiger II but gaijin usually pushes the br for most plane/tanks past what they can fight to see how they fair, but actually talking about it now I do agree with you that the panthers should be lowered with the panther II being the only one at a br of 6.3. There is nothing really special about each on.
hurepoix 2015 年 9 月 30 日 下午 7:42 
At least, I cant say for sure which tank I prefer. It would be biaised, because I had too many unfair games with the panther because of its high BR. Feel to be send to feed big fish.

I asked the question to know if I was alone to think the BR difference was not optimum between these tanks, and possibly to know where my analysis failed if I was wrong.

Thanks for feel back.
biboloxo 2015 年 9 月 30 日 下午 9:58 
Too many Arcade players... too many... German wont fight against German if you play RB and SB. So if you dont want to fight Tiger II in your Panther/Tiger I, pls play RB and SB.
Metal Grave 2015 年 9 月 30 日 下午 11:12 
My panther-D is my best tank, i murder other tanks with it (including tiger II's). it's all about your play style i play aggressive/cautious. all though at later tiers the tank does get out matched (heavily) at range. i still consider it the Panther series, my "♥♥♥♥ your tank i have a panther" forgot to mention the reason for higher tier falls is that everyone at the tier seems to camp ahelluva lot more. so flanking gets harder.
最後修改者:Metal Grave; 2015 年 9 月 30 日 下午 11:21
hurepoix 2015 年 10 月 1 日 上午 12:29 
引用自 biboloxo
Too many Arcade players... too many... German wont fight against German if you play RB and SB. So if you dont want to fight Tiger II in your Panther/Tiger I, pls play RB and SB.

I started post with At least in arcade. I dont played so much RB. it s interresting but queue time is too long. I heard also people tend to camp around ennemy spawn point early in rb (probably to solve ennemy detection that in not on ''assist mode in RB''. It never happened to me, however.

Perhaps you can start a post to know why people play arcade so much, and disregard Realist battle.
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