Mig-21

[Knomesfella]

Can someone explain to me how a Mig-21 is balanced going up against sabers, vampires, and the like with supersonic capabilities as well as missiles while the opponent has no means to counter them besides going head-on and getting lucky? Who at Gijan thought that was a good idea??

[SASMrSmall]

Russia suffowwssss

[elsimate]

Originally posted by Knomesfella:

Can someone explain to me how a Mig-21 is balanced going up against sabers, vampires, and the like with supersonic capabilities as well as missiles while the opponent has no means to counter them besides going head-on and getting lucky? Who at Gijan thought that was a good idea??

F-104 called and asked not to raise such questions.

[GaijinRuskiHacker]

Originally posted by elsimate:

Originally posted by Knomesfella:

Can someone explain to me how a Mig-21 is balanced going up against sabers, vampires, and the like with supersonic capabilities as well as missiles while the opponent has no means to counter them besides going head-on and getting lucky? Who at Gijan thought that was a good idea??

F-104 called and asked not to raise such questions.

F-104 can eat a missile from front ....

[Mafiahalo1993]

Originally posted by Knomesfella:

Can someone explain to me how a Mig-21 is balanced going up against sabers, vampires, and the like with supersonic capabilities as well as missiles while the opponent has no means to counter them besides going head-on and getting lucky? Who at Gijan thought that was a good idea??

because back then the Russians had faster and more powerful fighter jets but the US had slightly slower but way more advance jets with the newest radar system that allow them to use missile BVR (Beyond visual range)

not to mention there a documentary that talks about how the Russians reverse engineered the Aim-9 IR missile because one was fired at their Migs that turned out to be a dud and was stuck in the air frame after impacting the aircraft but not exploding which was how the R-3S was created and then quickly upgraded to the R-60 IR missile

[Knomesfella]

Originally posted by Mafiahalo1993:

Originally posted by Knomesfella:

Can someone explain to me how a Mig-21 is balanced going up against sabers, vampires, and the like with supersonic capabilities as well as missiles while the opponent has no means to counter them besides going head-on and getting lucky? Who at Gijan thought that was a good idea??

because back then the Russians had faster and more powerful fighter jets but the US had slightly slower but way more advance jets with the newest radar system that allow them to use missile BVR (Beyond visual range)

not to mention there a documentary that talks about how the Russians reverse engineered the Aim-9 IR missile because one was fired at their Migs that turned out to be a dud and was stuck in the air frame after impacting the aircraft but not exploding which was how the R-3S was created and then quickly upgraded to the R-60 IR missile

So why does this jet go against Sabers and Vampires and the like in this game’s BR???

[The Grand Wizard]

The entire BR system needs a rework, but that will never happen. It took people working at Gaijin 10 years to add a voice command to warns about planes in GRB

[j.yellow28]

Originally posted by GaijinRuskiHacker:

Originally posted by elsimate:

F-104 called and asked not to raise such questions.

F-104 can eat a missile from front ....

if u get a lock with that AIM9B or equivilant.

[APhone]

Originally posted by Knomesfella:

Can someone explain to me how a Mig-21 is balanced going up against sabers, vampires, and the like with supersonic capabilities as well as missiles while the opponent has no means to counter them besides going head-on and getting lucky? Who at Gijan thought that was a good idea??

It has 60 bullets wtf man. And the missiles it carry is complete trash. Ask why F-104 is allowed to do same thing with better gun and like 12.5 times more ammo.

[elsimate]

Originally posted by APhone:

Originally posted by Knomesfella:

Can someone explain to me how a Mig-21 is balanced going up against sabers, vampires, and the like with supersonic capabilities as well as missiles while the opponent has no means to counter them besides going head-on and getting lucky? Who at Gijan thought that was a good idea??

It has 60 bullets wtf man. And the missiles it carry is complete trash. Ask why F-104 is allowed to do same thing with better gun and like 12.5 times more ammo.

Don't you dare question NATO suffering.

[X2X RMXL]

Mig21 is an interceptor, with inferior dogfighting capabilities compared to sabres etc. Though a certain Russian bias does exist sinceit carries many good missiles and afterburner capable of mach 2 lol

[Mafiahalo1993]

Originally posted by Knomesfella:

Originally posted by Mafiahalo1993:

because back then the Russians had faster and more powerful fighter jets but the US had slightly slower but way more advance jets with the newest radar system that allow them to use missile BVR (Beyond visual range)

not to mention there a documentary that talks about how the Russians reverse engineered the Aim-9 IR missile because one was fired at their Migs that turned out to be a dud and was stuck in the air frame after impacting the aircraft but not exploding which was how the R-3S was created and then quickly upgraded to the R-60 IR missile

So why does this jet go against Sabers and Vampires and the like in this game’s BR???

cry more bro the migs smash those jets and would do the same easily in RL

[Blitzkrieg Wulf]

Originally posted by Knomesfella:

Can someone explain to me how a Mig-21 is balanced going up against sabers, vampires, and the like with supersonic capabilities as well as missiles while the opponent has no means to counter them besides going head-on and getting lucky? Who at Gijan thought that was a good idea??

In a slightly reworded format, you are asking why X BR vehicle does not perform "equivalently" (we will say) to X+1 BR vehicle. The answer is in the question- because it's not one BR higher.

Allow me to turn it around: an F-86F has a great many performance advantages over something like a MiG-9. For exactly the same reason, the MiG-9 is not expected to be on even footing with the Sabre.
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Addressing the MiG-21F-13: Yes, it definitely does some things better than planes an entire BR lower, it's not without it's shortcomings as others have pointed out.

Yes, it has missiles- but, they're not what anyone could categorically describe as "good". In my experience both firing them and having them shot at me, a simple turn and briefly cutting power will defeat them.

It has one gun, and 60 rounds @ 1000 rounds/min is only about four seconds of trigger time, being generous. An F-13 pilot gets ~4 15-round squirts at targets before the being completely empty. Unless the pilot is skilled and has the patience to line shots up with minimal trigger time, that ammo is gone very, very quickly.

For what it's worth: I cannot remember ever having seen an F-13 carry, even if it was the top BR for the match. I've seen people do amazing things in Super Sabres, Demons (perhaps my favorite 9.3), MiG-19S, and J32's.

There is one more 9.3 plane I'm surprised hasn't been mentioned here, but I'm curious to see if anyone else will bring it up.

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Originally posted by Blitzkrieg Wulf:

Originally posted by Knomesfella:

Can someone explain to me how a Mig-21 is balanced going up against sabers, vampires, and the like with supersonic capabilities as well as missiles while the opponent has no means to counter them besides going head-on and getting lucky? Who at Gijan thought that was a good idea??

In a slightly reworded format, you are asking why X BR vehicle does not perform "equivalently" (we will say) to X+1 BR vehicle. The answer is in the question- because it's not one BR higher.

Allow me to turn it around: an F-86F has a great many performance advantages over something like a MiG-9. For exactly the same reason, the MiG-9 is not expected to be on even footing with the Sabre.
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Addressing the MiG-21F-13: Yes, it definitely does some things better than planes an entire BR lower, it's not without it's shortcomings as others have pointed out.

Yes, it has missiles- but, they're not what anyone could categorically describe as "good". In my experience both firing them and having them shot at me, a simple turn and briefly cutting power will defeat them.

It has one gun, and 60 rounds @ 1000 rounds/min is only about four seconds of trigger time, being generous. An F-13 pilot gets ~4 15-round squirts at targets before the being completely empty. Unless the pilot is skilled and has the patience to line shots up with minimal trigger time, that ammo is gone very, very quickly.

For what it's worth: I cannot remember ever having seen an F-13 carry, even if it was the top BR for the match. I've seen people do amazing things in Super Sabres, Demons (perhaps my favorite 9.3), MiG-19S, and J32's.

There is one more 9.3 plane I'm surprised hasn't been mentioned here, but I'm curious to see if anyone else will bring it up.

what are you talking about, that is not what OP is asking at all
OP is clearly talking about the premium 9.0 mig-21S that has free reign over everything 7.7-8.7
i go up against them in almost every single game i play anywhere in that BR range, you know as well as all of us that people are going in with only that plane in their lineup, making their effective BR 8.7 so they can downtier on jets that have no defense against radar guided missiles + supersonic ability. don't piss on me and tell me it's raining

[Kay]

Originally posted by Pierce Hawthorne:

what are you talking about, that is not what OP is asking at all
OP is clearly talking about the premium 9.0 mig-21S that has free reign over everything 7.7-8.7
i go up against them in almost every single game i play anywhere in that BR range, you know as well as all of us that people are going in with only that plane in their lineup, making their effective BR 8.7 so they can downtier on jets that have no defense against radar guided missiles + supersonic ability. don't piss on me and tell me it's raining

A. The forums kinda default to RB, without the OP specifying what MiG-21 in what mode, it absolutely was not clear which MiG-21 they were talking about, so the assumption of the lowest BR MiG-21 is reasonable to make, as is assuming RB.

B. The "radar guided missiles" it has are R-3Rs. The defence against them is a turn, if you're getting killed by them it's because of a lack of awareness, especially in AB.

C. The matchmaking for AB is a different discussion, feel free to make a new topic about it if you wish, I'm also not particularly happy with how it works.