Gaijin Doesnt understand Aerodynamics

[Kenlict]

Something I have noticed in playing a lot of Air RB is that literally any time I get shot by any caliber on the wings or hull of my aircraft they just stop being aerodynamic. No systems failure, just turns into a brick. The ♥♥♥♥ gaijin XD

[Kenlict]

Originalmente postado por biomike:

Originalmente postado por Kenlict:

A hole in the wing doesn't just turn off its lift. You know how many thousands of rivets planes have to stay intact? A single bullet hole won't rip off the wing nor would it change the aerodynamics that much.

1. you are not getting hit with only one round most of the time
2. a single round can take you out depending on the size https://www.reddit.com/r/HistoryPorn/comments/1c759l/the_boeing_b17_wee_willie_has_its_left_wing_blown/
3. every bit that is sticking out adds drag and every hole takes away lift it all adds up
4. are you sure that its not your controls for said parts of the plane that are getting taken out?

Ok so:
1. Yes I understand that but in realistic mode most people suck and rarely get any hits on you, point is I have been hit by short bursts of 1-5 bullets and it just shuts down the plane without hitting any systems (pulley/hydraulics, fuel, or engine)
2. Yes but only vital areas
3. Yes I explained that myself earlier but bullet holes dont add enough drag to cancel the lift of an aircraft.
4. Yes I am because im only talking about when I get hit and not any systems that actually control anything or are vital. Its like how in GTA 5 you kick the car and it weighs less kinda physics is what I am pointing out.

[Kenlict]

Originalmente postado por Tandy:

I don't have the same experience you have with the game, so I'm not sure we're in the same quantum flux. We're not playing the same game. When I play Air RB, a few hits to a wing , body, tail, does not destroy its functionality 100%. The plane doesn't fly like a brick until moderate damage or more occurs. With severe damage they are a real handful , but who hasn't (in my universe) landed a plane with wing half blown off, body full of holes in this game?

Do you have premium account XD
Joking
I dunno man my luck is ♥♥♥♥. I get snipped by turret ai from players and ai planes a like at max range. Almost 70% of the time a turret ai will one shot my engine as soon as I get in range, and im not even flying straight xd

[kingjames488]

the faster you're going the more the effects of these things are going to get amplified...

if you're going at like mach 1.5 and suddenly your wing blows out it's probably going to be an issue.

[Kenlict]

Originalmente postado por kingjames488:

the faster you're going the more the effects of these things are going to get amplified...

if you're going at like mach 1.5 and suddenly your wing blows out it's probably going to be an issue.

Of course but Im rank 4 bruh sorry didnt specify that

[biomike]

Originalmente postado por Kenlict:

Originalmente postado por biomike:

1. you are not getting hit with only one round most of the time
2. a single round can take you out depending on the size https://www.reddit.com/r/HistoryPorn/comments/1c759l/the_boeing_b17_wee_willie_has_its_left_wing_blown/
3. every bit that is sticking out adds drag and every hole takes away lift it all adds up
4. are you sure that its not your controls for said parts of the plane that are getting taken out?

Ok so:
1. Yes I understand that but in realistic mode most people suck and rarely get any hits on you, point is I have been hit by short bursts of 1-5 bullets and it just shuts down the plane without hitting any systems (pulley/hydraulics, fuel, or engine)
2. Yes but only vital areas
3. Yes I explained that myself earlier but bullet holes dont add enough drag to cancel the lift of an aircraft.
4. Yes I am because im only talking about when I get hit and not any systems that actually control anything or are vital. Its like how in GTA 5 you kick the car and it weighs less kinda physics is what I am pointing out.

1. Remember you are only seeing the tracer rounds, what looks like 5 rounds will tend to be more
2. if a big HE round his your plane it doesnt matter where they hit you you are going to be missing a large chunk of your plane
3. you fill the wing with holes making it look like swiss cheese you are going to have problems, remember HE rounds cause damage in a number of spots cause of the fragments of the casing
Giving us a server replay of you having these problems will help us understand what you are talking about

[Kenlict]

Originalmente postado por biomike:

Originalmente postado por Kenlict:

Ok so:
1. Yes I understand that but in realistic mode most people suck and rarely get any hits on you, point is I have been hit by short bursts of 1-5 bullets and it just shuts down the plane without hitting any systems (pulley/hydraulics, fuel, or engine)
2. Yes but only vital areas
3. Yes I explained that myself earlier but bullet holes dont add enough drag to cancel the lift of an aircraft.
4. Yes I am because im only talking about when I get hit and not any systems that actually control anything or are vital. Its like how in GTA 5 you kick the car and it weighs less kinda physics is what I am pointing out.

1. Remember you are only seeing the tracer rounds, what looks like 5 rounds will tend to be more
2. if a big HE round his your plane it doesnt matter where they hit you you are going to be missing a large chunk of your plane
3. you fill the wing with holes making it look like swiss cheese you are going to have problems, remember HE rounds cause damage in a number of spots cause of the fragments of the casing
Giving us a server replay of you having these problems will help us understand what you are talking about

1. Again im not retarded I know you can only see tracer rounds. Regular rounds also leave a vapor trail but thats not my point.
2. Im talking about regular ass like 7.62 and 12mm rounds AP not HE.
3. Yes that's a given im not saying anything against that but a few holes dont just shut down physics. The more holes the less aerodynamic. It still has lift and can still guide the aircraft.
4. Im talking in general about basic ♥♥♥♥. Yeah i might share a replay if I remember but thats unlikely cuz i got college, work, and try to enjoy most of my free time. I am literally just pointing out how when a part of an aircraft takes only a little bit of damage for some reason the physics engine bugs out and makes you lose more control than you should. Again nothing vital no HE rounds, and again im not ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ retarded I know you dont see all the bullets but its pretty easy to estimate only a few rounds hit you because most aircraft dont shoot 100 rounds in less than a second and only a small portion of the burst will hit you unless they have a perfect shot. And like I said nothing vital being hit, just being hit to yellow on wings, tail, flaps, or hull without system damage and usually my aircraft just loses its ability to climb and maneuver.

[Schublade]

Originalmente postado por Kenlict:

Originalmente postado por biomike:

1. Remember you are only seeing the tracer rounds, what looks like 5 rounds will tend to be more
2. if a big HE round his your plane it doesnt matter where they hit you you are going to be missing a large chunk of your plane
3. you fill the wing with holes making it look like swiss cheese you are going to have problems, remember HE rounds cause damage in a number of spots cause of the fragments of the casing
Giving us a server replay of you having these problems will help us understand what you are talking about

1. Again im not retarded I know you can only see tracer rounds. Regular rounds also leave a vapor trail but thats not my point.
2. Im talking about regular ass like 7.62 and 12mm rounds AP not HE.
3. Yes that's a given im not saying anything against that but a few holes dont just shut down physics. The more holes the less aerodynamic. It still has lift and can still guide the aircraft.
4. Im talking in general about basic ♥♥♥♥. Yeah i might share a replay if I remember but thats unlikely cuz i got college, work, and try to enjoy most of my free time. I am literally just pointing out how when a part of an aircraft takes only a little bit of damage for some reason the physics engine bugs out and makes you lose more control than you should. Again nothing vital no HE rounds, and again im not ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ retarded I know you dont see all the bullets but its pretty easy to estimate only a few rounds hit you because most aircraft dont shoot 100 rounds in less than a second and only a small portion of the burst will hit you unless they have a perfect shot. And like I said nothing vital being hit, just being hit to yellow on wings, tail, flaps, or hull without system damage and usually my aircraft just loses its ability to climb and maneuver.

About physics and a few holes. I'm not saying that the Gaijin got it right but they have got a lot more thought done about damage than you did. You have that general anti-dev bias if you think they have thought less about this issue than you did.

Shall we call a general vote about who did the more thinking about damage modelling, you or some devs?

Surprise, you still might lose despite of them being Gaijin.

You don't think some holes and flapping aircraft skin can screw your flight?

I'm not suggesting at all that Gajin got the solution but they show some effort at damage modelling.

How about ice, can that screw your flight?
Show some humility and be glad nobody cares about modelling icing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozinSmylTmQ

[nosh]

Originalmente postado por kingjames488:

the faster you're going the more the effects of these things are going to get amplified...

if you're going at like mach 1.5 and suddenly your wing blows out it's probably going to be an issue.

Isn't it the other way around? Meaning the faster you're going, the less impact reduced lift on a wing has for the overall stability? At least in SB EC I tend to be able to bring back home a damaged plane with a fast approach, while flying slow'd lead into a stall.

[Khergit Horse Archer]

doesn't some airplane store fuel in their wings to act as coolant or as weight balancers, id imagine you would lose some amount of control when you get shot even in the wings with smoll calibres

[kingjames488]

Originalmente postado por nosh:

Originalmente postado por kingjames488:

the faster you're going the more the effects of these things are going to get amplified...

if you're going at like mach 1.5 and suddenly your wing blows out it's probably going to be an issue.

Isn't it the other way around? Meaning the faster you're going, the less impact reduced lift on a wing has for the overall stability? At least in SB EC I tend to be able to bring back home a damaged plane with a fast approach, while flying slow'd lead into a stall.

I'd think when you're going faster the turbulence around the holes would get worse causing more issues with asymetrical drag/lift making it more likely to throw you into some sort of spin. (or just be much harder to control I guess?)

[<I^_^]I_1C3Qu33n_X33_I[^_^]>]

Originalmente postado por Venom Thanos:

Could have been "game engine limitation" bro

this is why we dont have MiG-25 and jets with similar speeds, because the engine cant handle it.

[Outdated]

It is a game. that needs to be remembered.
As to how much damage a wing can take that is a curious question.
we can't really know the answer to that as this is not only a issue of surface area but also what was hit inside the wing.
the game isn't modelling that.

as for stories of planes flying with a missing wing and such.
yes that did happen but how many pilots managed to safe their planes in such conditions or would have been able to evade getting shot down by a enemy?
planes damaged to that extent would still be considered mission kills so in the context of the game it seems fitting to consider the plane destroyed.

[Schublade]

Originalmente postado por <I Mr.Yablokov I>:

Originalmente postado por Venom Thanos:

Could have been "game engine limitation" bro

this is why we dont have MiG-25 and jets with similar speeds, because the engine cant handle it.

No, don't think so.
MiG-25 main arnament AA-6/R-40 goes max. M 4.5 which is already achieved with R-27ER.

The main reason will be the dissappointment that no bomber target is there to shoot at and going Mach 2+ with 5G-Limit will be boring as ♥♥♥♥.

[<I^_^]I_1C3Qu33n_X33_I[^_^]>]

Originalmente postado por Schublade:

Originalmente postado por <I Mr.Yablokov I>:

this is why we dont have MiG-25 and jets with similar speeds, because the engine cant handle it.

No, don't think so.
MiG-25 main arnament AA-6/R-40 goes max. M 4.5 which is already achieved with R-27ER.

The main reason will be the dissappointment that no bomber target is there to shoot at and going Mach 2+ with 5G-Limit will be boring as ♥♥♥♥.

You also have the MiG-31 Su-11 & Su-15 where this argument doesnt work, this could be extremely fun with the R-33 or R-37, and thats Mach 6-8 and mach 10-12 for the R-37M

[Schublade]

Originalmente postado por <I Mr.Yablokov I>:

Originalmente postado por Schublade:

No, don't think so.
MiG-25 main arnament AA-6/R-40 goes max. M 4.5 which is already achieved with R-27ER.

The main reason will be the dissappointment that no bomber target is there to shoot at and going Mach 2+ with 5G-Limit will be boring as ♥♥♥♥.

You also have the MiG-31 Su-11 & Su-15 where this argument doesnt work, this could be extremely fun with the R-33 or R-37, and thats Mach 6-8 and mach 10-12 for the R-37M

You missed the point.

It is not an engine probem - it is a problem of transporting information over the internet in a timely manner to render a solution between several not cooperating entities.