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I see where you're going but it doesn't actually.
America still doesn't get a Saber with A2A missiles, nor does it fix the non-functionality of the Radar gunsight. But I do agree BR decompression is needed
Don't really understand where you going with that. I literally cannot play German planes, or Ground because I go full brain-dead deleting anything I see.
Yep, I agree man. I refuse to try to grind out mid-tier America any longer. America can never have the upper-hand.
This part of your post just seems a bit backwards.
It doesnt matter who designed or used air 2 air missiles first. War thunder does not run off a historical date timeline. It runs of battle rating.
So a less capable vehicle will be a lower BR even if it was built well after higher BR more capable vehicles.
So with how the game plays out a aircraft that performs well built from the 70s can be a higher BR then aircraft that performs like trash from the 80s or even 90s, even if both have the same missiles.
As for weapons nerfed im not sure what your on about. 50cals have been some of the most deadly guns ingame from when i started years ago, and have only been buffed. Some of your 20mm now also pen tanks like they never did before, so another buff there.
For awhile you were basically the only nation with a 3-4 deep top tier lineup for ground before other nations started getting more.
There is no anti american bias.
How Gaijin have released vehicles has never really made sense. Plenty of vehicles that could be added to fill gaps havent been added so many nations barely have a lineup at BRs. Id be saying those nations are suffering long before id cry about america.
No one is saying that US shouldnt have one. But they were most likely added to other nations first since those nations barely have options. Whereas the US already has many different jets to choose from.
Us already has pretty much double top tier jets of any nations(apart from GB who has 1 more then half the US total) and far more then that of some nations, and equal 2nd of tier 5 with 1 nation having more, while others still having half or less.
That sounds like some obvious american hate right there.
Nope, just unobtainable now to those that didnt start on it
So nonrandom data for analysis, Is that like choosing the American tree to focus on for apparent bias and hate instead of comparing all and seeing other nations have many BRs without a solid lineup, Just as many(or more) overtiered and high repair cost vehicles, Half the amount of vehicles in all trees, a distinct lack of update where they get anywhere near the focus that the already major nations get, if any focus at all.
I get that you want your aircraft. So just create or support the threads for that aicraft on Gaijin main page, bring attention to it etc. With enough people posting on its thread theyll see its popularity and add it.
But dont go acting like america is hard done by.
America, Russia and Germany are always given attention. Even if the update is all about a new nation, generally they still throw a few options around to the big 3. And it makes sense. They have the most to choose from. But hearing people whine about how those 3 are unfairly targetted is a joke. They pretty much have it all already in comparison.
If you believe its a bug they dont have missiles in the aircraft section here.
https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/forum/1711-vehicle-and-historical-bug-reports-all-platforms/
If its a different model and the aicraft itself needs to be suggested(with weapons etc) post here
https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/forum/1374-aircraft-suggestions/
Had a quick look in there and couldnt quickly find any suggestions of yours on the forum that matters. Thats where you want to go if you really want change.
If you just want to whine then steam forums is the right choice.
On OP's Topic.
There are some thing that I do agree, but many that I don't.
I see what you mean on the R2Y2, and it had been brought up for a long time. The biggest problem is, aside from using a P-3 or US-1, but I can't see anything the Japanese operated to replace it on the tech tree. It is a product of a time when WT had a strict cutoff time for technology, so with that, we ended up with paper planes or prototypes as regular tree vehicles. We have seen that when Gaijin finally has something they deem as a good replaced.
Also, the US has one of the best F-86 variants in game (F-86F-2) in the regular tree, with some of the most lethal cannons in game. The one behind the paywall (F-86F-35) has 50 cal, but also is good. I can say, until recently, F-86Fs were owning! The other one that can only now be obtained through the marketplace, the FJ-4B can equip missiles just like the tree version. The F-86Fs only started struggling once the supersonic aircraft had been introduced.
As for some of the techs, I guess when the team gets to redoing models and systems on certain aircraft, one can home that they do the F-86s. Both the F-86s and MiG-15s are missing bits and pieces of things they may have had IRL. Especially as these are some of the oldest jets in the game.
I don't see the hate. Let's see, for air, we have seen 50 cal BUFFED numerous times, with the most significant one being at 1.77, to the point it became a meme. I still think US equipment is pretty competitive in the game, and it has been covered multiple times.
Usually when BRs have been risen, it has been because those planes had shown themselves to be pretty good where they sit P-47Ds, XP-55 (still one of the best btw), F2A-1 (back when early 50 cal had APIT, it owned, still can be deadly if not dealt with quickly), P-36G, F-84s. Just a small selection of aircraft I have seen fairly competitive in competent hands.
As for tanks, Let's talk about the M22, a Tier 1 tank that was so good, it was found to be able to fight against top tier MBTs at the time. A lot of earlier Tier 1 can't even fight these. The Shermans do okay where they sit, they are what they are. Meanwhile, we have the M18, which is a constant source of hate from other factions, and then the M36, which I remember from my Tank SB days for being some kind of Lotus that wouldn't die (and one of the many reasons we have hull break now. )
Where there might be some vehicles that have had undeserved nerfs, or severe uptiers in their BRs, it seems the US benefited in many ways than suffered. On the nerfs, when they get concrete information that a mistake was made, they revert it (remember when Japan had their 12.7's historical belts removed with something that's a meme?)
I acknowledge your viewpoints, and your standing you are right you have some solid debate topics. But I've chewed on this idea for awhile now the M18 is a perfect example now that you brought it up look at that drastic BR increase compared to the rest of the tanks in the lineup. The M18 doesn't fit. You are up-tier guaranteed by using it or you use it exclusively. Arcade is an absolute NO with that tank. Mg's Can pen it at BR 1.0
Gaijin supposedly balances by Statistics right? Well here's a statistic for you the M18 5.7 BR isn't as lethal as the Puma 2.7 BR. (I'm comparing it to the Puma because of Lethality, and Speed)
How do I figure? The stat card, and play-style of the tanks (Now sure I know the stat card lies sometimes, and isn't 100% but it's what tools are given to us and is a roundabout).
To compare this we won't be typically shooting at a 30 Degree Angle it's more roughly 15/20 Degrees so we'll average the pen to 77MM on the Puma.
If you take the most common tanks of their respective tanks (P-PR = Puma Pen Ratio)
USA 3.7 Sherman (Frontal 50H 76T)------------- P-PR .99%
Germany 3.3 Pz.IV F2 (Frontal 50H 50T)--------P-PR 1.10%
Soviet 3.7 KV-1 (Frontal 75H 75T)---------------- P-PR .92%
Now the M18's turn
USA T-34 6.7 (102H 203T) -------------------------M18-PR .56%
Germany Tiger II (H) 6.7 (150H 185T)----------- M18-PR .44%
Soviet IS-2 6.3 (120H 100T)------------------------ M18-PR .67%
See what i'm doing here is comparing the vehicles in an up-tier. Both can be killed by MG's, Both have deadly cannons, both have insane speed, and is one of their best features.
Yet the numbers don't lie, and if you somehow were to math-matically calculate bounce chance it doesn't take Neil Degrasse Tyson to understand which tank that would hinder even further factoring in percentage to bounce.
This is comparable on almost every American vehicle Air, Naval, or GF. In an uptier which 90% of all games are the American's have UN-NEEDED difficulty from their BR placements.
Saber is one of them, Asheville, Jumbo, P-51's (Not god stang or Cannon-stang).
People can complain but complaining is easy but when you take the time out of your day, chew and look at the problem you realize how unbalanced the game is, and you can do your own ratios to fact check me. Take an average pen % and compare it off the armor values I've listed that are the most common tanks in an uptier at those BR ranges.
US, USSR, and Germany are part of the big three aka gaijin will shill out one of those nations every patch to rake in cash. Have you tried to play any other nation that isn't any of those three to see how badly some of those tree's need the US equipment?
The big three all have their "biased" area's but outside of that [and maybe UK], there is not much going for the other nations. Ever tried fighting an F89-D in an axis jet? Ever try taking on a Tiger I in a Chi-To? Ever try fighting a P51-H/Spitfire Mk.24 in an N1K? Ever watch the optics of a driver hatch of a russian t-34 eat all of your post pen explosive filler (IE its like it 180'd and refused to continue going through)?
Every nation has its gripes and that includes the US. But it is so much worse for the nations that are not part of the Big three. The easiest matches I have are in my lineups with those big three nations.
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Complaining about fighting one of the worst planes in the game at its BR. Which also doesn't get lead indicators (it used to) with a more advanced radar suite.
If consensus is stating that US isnt targeted unfairly then im pretty sure the term is 'corrected, not derailed'.
-Why do most other nations use some form of US weaponry?
Um maybe because the US sells to many nations.
-Why do they get them before US do?
In most cases they don't. On rare occasions they do as those nations need a vehicle to fill a certain role or BR which they just don't have a homegrown vehicle either in reality or just not modelled yet by devs. It is easier generally to copy paste an already existing vehicle(and maybe modify its model) to use to fix that situation. And as i stated earlier(ignored by you) other nations don't have the large selection of choice that US has already existing and need things more.
And on uptiers, on average most nations get uptiers more often then downtiers.
The He-100 was okay at it's original BR (was it 2.7?), but got bumped up due to folks carrying on bad habits and shooting from further out. 2.3 I guess was still sorta acceptable. But now it's at 2.0 and will often face reserves. It's basically a preview to the top tier compression in a way! Then we have the 109F1 and 109E1... the only explanation for their current BR is just players not knowing how to use it. Again, these planes can EASILY move up to 2.7.
On the case of tanks, many of the lower BRs I feel are a legacy of the early days, when a Panzer could simply be looked at and suffer a fatal transmission fire (that was quite a thing then), and dealt with soviet tanks with a slightly borked algorithm for sloped armor (worse than now anyways). Combine that with the History channel stereotype crowd and vola, low BR.
For aircraft, there is less of an excuse other than folks acting like their MG/FFs have the ballistics and abilities of an M2 from 700m out.
We can add the A-36 to that, basically an Mustang with added dive brakes and 50 cals instead of a Hispano. Good plane when played well.
I still disagree with all Sabre variants except the A-5. Like I said, they owned MiGs for years until the MiG-19 came out. Then they were treated to a similar experience that MiG-15, A-5 pilots (in the case of Realcade) and I would even say G.91 pilots had for a while. With that said, the US could use an AAM Sabre for the regular tree regardless. Even if it is a Sabre Dog.
I still feel the US is okay, they are moved up from time to time, but also get moved down too, sometimes to the point where a Sherman 105 could be seeing BR 1.7 vehicles that can not even hope to pen it. Just looked at the tree. Some of those earlier Sherman's are maybe a tad high. Going down one step in the BR chain would not be a bad thing I would say.
The Jumbos did move up though because they were doing pretty well apparently at the time. A lot has changed though. DeMarre equation, a few mechanics, other vehicle BRs. Unfortunately when Gaijin looks at data, it sometimes feel they look at the entire lifetime of the vehicle, without considering any changes made unless it starts to really cause problems.
Now you mentioned Arcade, where a lot of my recent experience had been through RB. Both of those can have large enough differences to have a different mindset. But they are valid differences regardless.