Censorship or Bia's?

[Paradoxicc70]

Couldn't help but notice my topic about the F-86 Saber yesterday was gaining traction, and a few even were agreeing with me....Yet my post vanished... I am tired of the Dev's crippling, over-tiering, and nerfing the American Faction Tree.

THIS WILL BE HEARD at best Gaijin is incompetent, At Worst they are Bias'd.

I am so jaded I spent over an hour watching this and researching about this aircraft.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8EPpkEQtqU

----------------------------------------------------Key--Points-----------------------------------------------------------
-F-86 Saber America's prime time Fighter during the first half of the Korean war.

-F-86 Radar Gun-sight gave automatic lead indication (Similarly to how Radar-Guided AA is reflected in-game for RB GF roughly 7.0 onward), and is NOTED to be one of the biggest strengths of the F-86. (Black Tip on the Nosecone). ((Yet THIS ISN'T REFLECTED INGAME functionality wise!).

-Shot down over #750 Mig-15's Piloted by the USSR,China, and NK at a supposed 10-to-1 Ratio.

-Hughes Aircraft Designed the FIRST Air-To-Air Missile System-1946 (Military Service date of 1956).

-China were the FIRST to use the A2A missile in combat, and shot down MIG-15's using the F-86 in 1956 supplied by the US NAVY.

-The Germans used the Aim-4F designed by America as a framework for the (Aim-9B) (Which began in 1956, and later procured by the USAF).
~~~~~~~~~~Source-------- http://www.designation-systems.info/dusrm/m-9.html
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---Things needed to be changed!

-American F-86 sit's at 8.7 BR (But get's UP-TIERED 99% of the time to 9.7 against Javelin-F, and others with A2A missiles. Also note at 9.3 BR ((Italy, Germany, and Japan using a F-86 Variant with A2A Missiles!)
(( When does America get a Sherman with T-34 armor before the Soviets get the T-34? Where does america get the Tiger H1 88mm before the Germans do? (Sarcastic talking point but relevant!))
-The only American F-86 Saber that can be equipped through the American lineup sits at 8.7 BR but is locked behind a Very Rare premium Paywall!
(Was the Maus locked behind a Paywall?, OR the T-80?, How about one of the most iconic weapons of the war The Ho-229/ Me 262?) Again sarcastic but relevant!

-America designed the A2A missile, USSR didn't even have one on the drawing board until 1993, EMS Date of 2015! Yet other Nations use this technological breakthrough against us before we even get the first plane equipped with them?!



-F-86 Radar gun-sight needs to be introduced, and reflected how it is for RB GF!
- https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/164716-why-do-sabres-have-k-14-sight-instead-of-a1cm/
Another user pointing out this fact of the K-14 Gunsight used in WW2 in the P-51 Represented over the A1-C Radar gunsight in the F-86 back in 2014!
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Honestly, i'm tired of the American faction hate. Other Nation's get our weapons before us, our aircraft or tanks the same time as us. Our weapon's constantly nerfed, Our entire GF BR tree look's like the stock market rather than a numerical research tree. It's ridiculous Gaijin. People like myself have been asking you apparently to be true to America's Tank's, and Planes of war since update 1.27 yet it still isn't here.
Meanwhile planes like the R2Y2 which never existed get's its own time to shine, and dumpster American aircraft. Yet at the same time claim to balance by W/R?

No way shape or form should allied nations, or otherwise be using our own weapons, Vehicles with these advanced weapons before the Nation that pioneered it. Since I provided a source showing that other players have brought issues like these up since 2014. It simply isn't incompetence at this point it is the sheer disregard, and distaste for America apparently. Especially when you bring factual evidence showing in Black in White how FUBAR this is. Yet the post just goes pooooof into the nether less than 24 hrs later...

You the reader actually realize if you look up the definition of selection bias this is exactly what Gaijin has done right?
Definition- Selection bias is a type of bias caused by choosing non-random data for statistical analysis.

[Paradoxicc70]

I'm honestly dumbfounded you guys are defending this...You at first were at my throats, then it was tanks, then this plane doesnt have missiles you are wrong, now it's oh this plane has missiles bro but its got a 40 second turn time and isnt actually considered a fighter, then you have the guys saying oh the ceo justified gameplay over historical accuracy.

Whats fun about allied nations using old gen tech your nation sold them while your in an even less superior aircraft of theirs ontop of that BTW they also have A2A missiles.,..

Some of yall are the reason warning labels exist I swear...
If you cannot see that we needed to band together against Gaijin's incompetence, and this topic here could've started, Hell the jumbo being bumped to 5.3 for the umptenth time could've started it. Stop defending shady game design because when you call out developers it betters the game in general not just for the American Faction but for all of them. But no all of you want to be toxic or throw some random fact out there trying to discredit me or my topic. It's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ and regardless what you say the american matchups are BS, The american Armament is BS, The American BR are BS.
But cool chew on your icecubes kid/.

[Paradoxicc70]

Oprindeligt skrevet af torindechoza:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Paradoxicc70.TV:

The lead indicator wouldn't increase the BR, missiles may but the fact a premium with A2A missiles exists at 8.7 doubtful.
The missiles are needed because youre fighting supersonic planes that just run when they make a mistake.

why wouldnt it increase br? it is an advantage. Do you have any example or gaijin source to define that as a fact?

Because the plane exists how it is, and the Mig-15 is where it's placed to fight it respectively like in IRL.
Furthermore the MIG-15 has it's advantageous it's armament, it's engine,Climb rate, ect.
This was the plane of the MIG's advantageous over the Saber.

one of the sabers was a lead indicator so no I seriously doubt Gaijin would appoint a .3BR change to be matched in an uptier which at top tier it's guaranteed to be a uptier against F-4E's over a gun sight indicator.....that is also already implemented on the ingame model.//...

[Druckform | INSOMNIAC 3D]

Oprindeligt skrevet af redned:

just so you know all it takes is for one person to get offended. then to report it once that happens mods got no choice but to enforce their rules. typically see this when an someone is losing the battle. I've seen threads go on for days with insults getting thrown around all over the place. then there are others that last less then 1 hr before getting shut down

the rule is i cant offend anyone, let's say i'm talking to you i cant offend you fair enough. what if i'm talking to 10 people, do i get to offend 1 in 10? how about 1 in 100, 1 in 1000? You're going to make a post about something and you're not going to offend 1 person in 1000? you can't say anything about anything important ever without offending probably the person you're talking to, especially important posts about contentious issues is instantly going to be offensive.

[Kay]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Paradoxicc70.TV:

The lead indicator wouldn't increase the BR, missiles may but the fact a premium with A2A missiles exists at 8.7 doubtful.
The missiles are needed because youre fighting supersonic planes that just run when they make a mistake.

It's not a mistake to run, the only supersonic at 9.7 is the F-100 that China and France have (with worse missiles than the American version) which bleed speed incredibly quickly in manoeuvres. they're completely unable to do anything but BnZ against sabres, if you add AAMs to the sabres they become unable to fight them (like they have been for a while tbh, simply due to entirely relying on going fast (which they can only really do at altitude, at sae level in level flight their maximum speed is 1200km/h, 100km/h faster than an F-86F-2, they also tear themsleves apart at around 1350km/h IAS, while the F-86 sabre gets warnings at 1145km/h ish IAS, I could not get the F-86 to rip in a dive but it can break the sound barrier)

The F-100 only really has straight line speed and acceleration on its side, in manoeuvres it bleeds speed extremely quickly and it isn't as capable as the F-86 in those kinds of fights. The F-86 doesn't need something to negate the only advantages the F-100 has in that matchup with either a 1BR difference or 0.7BR difference.

Bearing in mind every missile armed F-86 is at 9.3, arming an F-86 with missiles would probably move it to 8.3.

The in tree and premium FJ-4 Furys both have missiles, but they also have significantly worse flight performance in pretty much every way (maybe they retain energy slightly better or something, but they sure as hell don't fly as fast in a straight line or manoeuvre anywhere near as well) which is why they're 8.7 with AAMs, not 9.3 like the F-86 Sabres (which are significantly better at air to air combat than the FJ-4s)

Lead indicator would increase the BR by quite a lot, it's one of the reasons the Javelin was 9.7 when it first came out, without it (and with better missiles) it's 8.7. The F-86 sabres would at least go up a BR step for having it.

So, with both, the F-86 sabres would be looking at a BR of 9.7, especially since MiG-17s wouldn't have a lead indicator and absolutely would not stand a chance against F-86 sabres armed with both missiles and radar lead indicators.

[torindechoza]

if you make a post including your opinion, and many people disagree. You think "they are at my throat", so to make you feel better everyone must think exactly what you think, and a game company that has thousands of clients should only hear 1.

Also some of the things you say are just plain wrong. And you dislike people pointing that out.

Other people can be wrong aswell. So no one really is chasing you.

[Paradoxicc70]

Oprindeligt skrevet af torindechoza:

if you make a post including your opinion, and many people disagree. You think "they are at my throat", so to make you feel better everyone must think exactly what you think, and a game company that has thousands of clients should only hear 1.

Also some of the things you say are just plain wrong. And you dislike people pointing that out.

Other people can be wrong aswell. So no one really is chasing you.

It's just ironic that last night multiple were agreeing with me and adding to what I say, it gets taken down. haters flock nope it stays up lmao

[Kay]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Paradoxicc70.TV:

Oprindeligt skrevet af torindechoza:

why wouldnt it increase br? it is an advantage. Do you have any example or gaijin source to define that as a fact?

Because the plane exists how it is, and the Mig-15 is where it's placed to fight it respectively like in IRL.
Furthermore the MIG-15 has it's advantageous it's armament, it's engine,Climb rate, ect.
This was the plane of the MIG's advantageous over the Saber.

Armament I'd give to the Sabre, not the MiG. The two different calibre armaments on the MiG make it impossible to hit with both, the higher velocity armament (the 37mm) is still below the velocity of the .50 cal and 20mm armament on the Sabres, and the manoeuvreability disadvantage of the plane means it's much harder to get guns on, especially with guns that are harder to aim to begin with.

the MiG-15 also suffers with compression at high speeds, meaning it seriously struggles to manoeuvre at 800km/h+, and it only gets to 1040km/h in level flight at sea level.

the only real advantage it has is in thrust to weight ratio (higher climb rate and acceleration because of it), but 9.0 against 9.0 (F-86F-2 vs MiG-17) I'd be betting on the F-86F-2 to win most fights.

Oprindeligt skrevet af Paradoxicc70.TV:

one of the sabers was a lead indicator so no I seriously doubt Gaijin would appoint a .3BR change to be matched in an uptier which at top tier it's guaranteed to be a uptier against F-4E's over a gun sight indicator.....that is also already implemented on the ingame model.//...

Which Sabre has a lead indicator?

[uɐɐılʎʇs]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Paradoxicc70.TV:

I'm honestly dumbfounded you guys are defending this...You at first were at my throats, then it was tanks, then this plane doesnt have missiles you are wrong, now it's oh this plane has missiles bro but its got a 40 second turn time and isnt actually considered a fighter, then you have the guys saying oh the ceo justified gameplay over historical accuracy.

Whats fun about allied nations using old gen tech your nation sold them while your in an even less superior aircraft of theirs ontop of that BTW they also have A2A missiles.,..

Some of yall are the reason warning labels exist I swear...
If you cannot see that we needed to band together against Gaijin's incompetence, and this topic here could've started, Hell the jumbo being bumped to 5.3 for the umptenth time could've started it. Stop defending shady game design because when you call out developers it betters the game in general not just for the American Faction but for all of them. But no all of you want to be toxic or throw some random fact out there trying to discredit me or my topic. It's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ and regardless what you say the american matchups are BS, The american Armament is BS, The American BR are BS.
But cool chew on your icecubes kid/.

No one is against US getting the sabre with air to air. Which would pretty much end your 'they get this, we dont' crap which again, post on main forums. As stated, it was to fill gaps other nations have due to them not having the depth and choice of US.

But i guess since barely anyone is agreeing with you its us who are the problem.

You want people to band together on issues. try real issues instead of one that could be resolved with a forum post on main forums + support/popularity/poll etc.

How bout BR decompression, which again would sort out how bad uptiers are(in your firstpost).

As for jumbo being moved up, vehicles are moved up based on their player use/stats and performance. If it doesnt work out it should lower again. And toxic could relate to half of your posts where you couldnt handle people disagreeing with you.

So, im assuming with how vocal on this subject you are you could link us your mainforum post on US getting the variant of sabre with air 2 air? Im sure most wouldnt have issue in supporting that.
Link plz. Or again are you just here to whine.

[torindechoza]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Paradoxicc70.TV:

Oprindeligt skrevet af torindechoza:

if you make a post including your opinion, and many people disagree. You think "they are at my throat", so to make you feel better everyone must think exactly what you think, and a game company that has thousands of clients should only hear 1.

Also some of the things you say are just plain wrong. And you dislike people pointing that out.

Other people can be wrong aswell. So no one really is chasing you.

It's just ironic that last night multiple were agreeing with me and adding to what I say, it gets taken down. haters flock nope it stays up lmao

its a conspiracy

[DasaKamov]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Paradoxicc70.TV:

It's just ironic that last night multiple were agreeing with me and adding to what I say

What's more ironic is that you make a second topic on the Steam forums after the first one was "taken down" (proof needed, by the way).

Gaijin devs don't use the Steam forums. They have their own forums, and hey, there's even a "Suggestions" forum if you want changes to vehicles made based on your research (which needs to be supported with other sources and technical facts).

[Blitzkrieg Wulf]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Paradoxicc70.TV:

It's just ironic that last night multiple were agreeing with me and adding to what I say, it gets taken down. haters flock nope it stays up lmao

Let's try again:
1) Your post didn't (And this one still doesn't) follow the rules, so it was hidden by another mod.
2) The rules clearly state that if you have questions or concerns about actions taken, to use the PM function.


Quotes from you in said thread included, but are not limited to:
"But sure war Thunder community, Germany gets America's toys before America does, and comfortably sits at 90% W/R Air RB."
"I'm sending this to congress, and I want this game to be put up into the Geneva convention as a Cold-War crime."
"I'm contacting Trump on Twitter right now. This game has brain-washed American's into Stalin, and Adolf Hitler supporters."

And I would be wasting my time providing full transcripts of arguments you picked up with others.


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As an aside: Insisting this stems from "bias and incompetence" will not get you anywhere, and as you've found out, generates more trolls and laughter than helpful and productive discussion. Instead of comping up with an elaborate ruse, you could inquire into why Gaijin might have done that. Heaven forbid a suggestion, "Gaijin, I saw technical documents [here] that say the Sabre [specific model] utilized AAM's."

Your dates and facts from the past thread suggesting this "[undeniable bias]"stemmed from "2013 in 1.27" is wrong. The first non-US sabre added to the game was the Canadair CL-13A. That was a-la 1.39. Since the topic is missiles, we can further dial that all the way back to 1.85, which was so late in 2018 that we can almost call it the start of 2019.

Lastly, having re-combed through your old thread that "even a few people agreed with me"- there was exactly one person who agreed that the US should get their avionics/weapons before other nations, in the chaos/arguments that was the rest of the thread.

Just in the interest of 'not censoring anyone'.