Why is the M1 Abrams 105mm not the same BR as the T-72A and T-64B?

[bunny]

It has a maximum penetration of 365mm with APFSDS, and that's only if you've unlocked the M774. If not, you're stuck with 284mm of penetration. Lmao, getting uptiered makes it practically useless.

inb4 mobility, skill issue

[spartakisteqc]

Because it's massively more mobile and has much better armor than almost every 9.3 BR tanks in the game? Can you really look in the eyes of German players stuck with the Leopard 1A5, the KPz-70 and the M48 Super, the French players stuck with the two AMX-32s and the AMX-30 Super or the Italian players with their OF-40 (MTCA) and tell them that the M1 Abrams is BR 9.3 material?

[Kay]

Mobility, survivability, 4 second reload aced (so it's always faster than T-series tanks), IIRC M774 has better angled performance than the Russian darts at that BR

The lineup it's in will contribute too, since balancing is done based on "statistics"

[bunny]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από spartakisteqc:

Because it's massively more mobile and has much better armor than almost every 9.3 BR tanks in the game? Can you really look in the eyes of German players stuck with the Leopard 1A5, the KPz-70 and the M48 Super, the French players stuck with the two AMX-32s and the AMX-30 Super or the Italian players with their OF-40 (MTCA) and tell them that the M1 Abrams is BR 9.3 material?

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Kay:

Mobility, survivability, 4 second reload aced (so it's always faster than T-series tanks), IIRC M774 has better angled performance than the Russian darts at that BR

The lineup it's in will contribute too, since balancing is done based on "statistics"

Seems like a simple fix, then. Keep the Abrams at the current BR and give the 105mm M1 Abrams the M900 APFSDS, as it was used in real life.

[spartakisteqc]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από bunny bunny bunny:

Seems like a simple fix, then. Keep the Abrams at the current BR and give the 105mm M1 Abrams the M900 APFSDS, as it was used in real life.

This is a much much more reasonable solution.

[-NODER-_Novastorm_]

The M774 is more than enought on M1 , play that mbt with fast mobility tactics and profit.

[bunny]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από -NODER-_Novastorm_:

The M774 is more than enought on M1 , play that mbt with fast mobility tactics and profit.

Why is it that American/western tanks have to play tactics but Russian tanks can be a point and click adventure?

[shipdesignerdude]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από bunny bunny bunny:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από -NODER-_Novastorm_:

The M774 is more than enought on M1 , play that mbt with fast mobility tactics and profit.

Why is it that American/western tanks have to play tactics but Russian tanks can be a point and click adventure?

Not really, they're just slower. An Abrams can easily outflank any russian mbt at the start of a round. Done it plenty of times.

Tanks aren't just who has the bigger round. The M1 has very good mobility, use it. Russian tanks don't in many cases.

The M1IP is also pretty much an M1 with M900 and placed at a higher BR.

[French Cat]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Kay:

Mobility, survivability, 4 second reload aced (so it's always faster than T-series tanks), IIRC M774 has better angled performance than the Russian darts at that BR

The lineup it's in will contribute too, since balancing is done based on "statistics"

5 Seconds Aced.

[bunny]

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Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από bunny bunny bunny:

Why is it that American/western tanks have to play tactics but Russian tanks can be a point and click adventure?

Not really, they're just slower. An Abrams can easily outflank any russian mbt at the start of a round. Done it plenty of times.

Tanks aren't just who has the bigger round. The M1 has very good mobility, use it. Russian tanks don't in many cases.

The M1IP is also pretty much an M1 with M900 and placed at a higher BR.

So I have to out flank the enemy while Gaijin removes my ability to use the M900 in my 105mm M1 Abrams because Russian mains need a helping hand? All I am asking is for similar pen values at it's current BR.

[bastion of pragmatism]

I have the most nukes in the m1 clickbait. I have second most in m1 kvt. That tank is stupidly good. You’re talking about making it 9.3? 💀 Jesus

[kY0U]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από bunny bunny bunny:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από -NODER-_Novastorm_:

The M774 is more than enought on M1 , play that mbt with fast mobility tactics and profit.

Why is it that American/western tanks have to play tactics but Russian tanks can be a point and click adventure?

Because mobility in T-series tank sucks af, so they had no choice but give it point n click venture.

[-NODER-_Novastorm_]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από bunny bunny bunny:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από shipdesignerdude:

Not really, they're just slower. An Abrams can easily outflank any russian mbt at the start of a round. Done it plenty of times.

Tanks aren't just who has the bigger round. The M1 has very good mobility, use it. Russian tanks don't in many cases.

The M1IP is also pretty much an M1 with M900 and placed at a higher BR.

So I have to out flank the enemy while Gaijin removes my ability to use the M900 in my 105mm M1 Abrams because Russian mains need a helping hand? All I am asking is for similar pen values at it's current BR.

There is no need to flank all the time, you can kill frontaly any russian tank with m774, aim correctly for the weak spots.

[K]

10.3 sure, imo it should be there, not that it matters atm as 10.3-11.0 is 11.3 games in the vast majority of them due to the stupid premium spam

[Psycho]

because if so ussr wont be the strongest nation

[Psycho]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από bunny bunny bunny:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από -NODER-_Novastorm_:

The M774 is more than enought on M1 , play that mbt with fast mobility tactics and profit.

Why is it that American/western tanks have to play tactics but Russian tanks can be a point and click adventure?

because developers have some sort of fetish for ussr and they want, unlike reality, them to be the strongest