Why is the f20 a whopping 12.7 br?

[EasyClapBroski]

This thing was suffering at 12.0 so it was decided that it should be raised? If it's going to be kept 12+ then give it aim 120s as it has all of the technology to carry and fire them.

[Larsen]

I disagree, I've played over 150 battles with mine now, and I am thoroughly enjoying it.

[Re-L johиmw54]

honestly, you do get ♥♥♥♥ on by ARH missiles, but if you play smart and use terrain it's a really nice and enjoyable plane, it has a nice airframe, a good radar (imho) and good guns/missiles, i'm very pleased with it, ofc it's not at the same level as 13.0 or 13.7, but still perfectly playable

[EasyClapBroski]

The issue is the amount of flares and its loadout. If it had more flares it'd do somewhat better but on the larger maps it feels impossible to play especially when you get uptiered almost all of the time. Sometimes it is "playable" but I find myself coming into numerous situations where it isn't playable and I'm consistently outclassed.

[LMJgutano]

this plane shoud'nt be at 12.7 like tf am i supposed to do against f-15 and mig 27 70% of the games are uptier and even in undertier you get less weapon and even worse than some orther jets the only good things are the frame and the engine the radar is okay the rest is simply ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ 40 counter-measure ?? if you take fox-1 only 4 missile ?? the rwr isnt even good you cant know whats shooting you wich in uptier is really really important i bought it in sale and i regret it im just sad the f-4s wasnt in sale he gets a way better weaponery so if you have to buy a premium for the usa buy the f-4s

[Boii Fan]

Originally posted by LMJgutano:

this plane shoud'nt be at 12.7 like tf am i supposed to do against f-15 and mig 27 70% of the games are uptier and even in undertier you get less weapon and even worse than some orther jets the only good things are the frame and the engine the radar is okay the rest is simply ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ 40 counter-measure ?? if you take fox-1 only 4 missile ?? the rwr isnt even good you cant know whats shooting you wich in uptier is really really important i bought it in sale and i regret it im just sad the f-4s wasnt in sale he gets a way better weaponery so if you have to buy a premium for the usa buy the f-4s

at 11.3 there's planes with 2 rear aspect only missiles, you want them facing the F20 with its like what, at least 6 all aspect and two ARH? like dude.

[TH3H4\/0K]

Ask DEVs, they know better which tank/plane/jet/boat where should be.
Based on their "performance" xDDD

[BlackWolf9988]

It needs some decompression upwards but other than that its fine.

It has a good airframe and can bomb 2.5 bases with the fire bombs which makes it an insane grinder if you are into that playstyle.

[jaxjace]

Its the worst 12.7 in the game and it costs over 70 dollars lmao Yeah its in a bad spot. Its one of the rare premiums that breaks the mold of having one BR bracket lower than it should be (looking at you 2S38) and instead is more in line with the 12.0 British Phantom Premium where its the worst choice at its battle rating. Hell even the vaunted F4S is not at all what it used to be. Dont even get me started about the german premium jets lol.

[BlackWolf9988]

Originally posted by jaxjace:

Its the worst 12.7 in the game and it costs over 70 dollars lmao Yeah its in a bad spot. Its one of the rare premiums that breaks the mold of having one BR bracket lower than it should be (looking at you 2S38) and instead is more in line with the 12.0 British Phantom Premium where its the worst choice at its battle rating. Hell even the vaunted F4S is not at all what it used to be. Dont even get me started about the german premium jets lol.

F4S is still incredibly strong idk what you are on about. even in full uptiers i still get a good amount of kills with it.

[Chad Chungus]

it wasnt technically in BR though... all other 12.0 planes were bumped up to 12.7 as part of "decompression"
the f20 is very similar to the f16, which is also 12.7. if youre having troubles with it, its simply a skill issue. there are so many planes without ARH missiles that face planes that do have ARH missiles. its not fun, but its doable.

fact is, if youre complaining about uptiers at 12.7, you wont have good performance even at 13.7. you simply dont understand the BR

[jaxjace]

Originally posted by BlackWolf9988:

Originally posted by jaxjace:

Its the worst 12.7 in the game and it costs over 70 dollars lmao Yeah its in a bad spot. Its one of the rare premiums that breaks the mold of having one BR bracket lower than it should be (looking at you 2S38) and instead is more in line with the 12.0 British Phantom Premium where its the worst choice at its battle rating. Hell even the vaunted F4S is not at all what it used to be. Dont even get me started about the german premium jets lol.

F4S is still incredibly strong idk what you are on about. even in full uptiers i still get a good amount of kills with it.

No its not, dont even try to flex. when it was 11.3 it was OP as all get out and slaughtered planes left and right, at 12.0 its a shadow of its former self. Getting kills with it is doable and you can grind with it but its a LOT harder to play now than it used to be, it routinely faces things with a far better weapons kit and now is simply average. The F20 though was always dogwater, its simply a worse F16 and that just isnt enough to really shine especially when every other 12.7 plane especially the F16s is just flat better than you. Again you can get kills and its workable but its far harder than one would expect for a premium plane of its price and BR.

Originally posted by Chad Chungus:

it wasnt technically in BR though... all other 12.0 planes were bumped up to 12.7 as part of "decompression"
the f20 is very similar to the f16, which is also 12.7. if youre having troubles with it, its simply a skill issue. there are so many planes without ARH missiles that face planes that do have ARH missiles. its not fun, but its doable.

fact is, if youre complaining about uptiers at 12.7, you wont have good performance even at 13.7. you simply dont understand the BR

m8 nobody likes forcing to go defensive against fox 3 slingers every match because they have none of their own, perfectly reasonable to expect some complaints from people the fact is that any plane that has Fox3s that faces planes routinely that dont have them (looking at you F14IAF) is extremely powerful and easy to farm kills with.

[Chad Chungus]

Originally posted by jaxjace:

Originally posted by BlackWolf9988:

F4S is still incredibly strong idk what you are on about. even in full uptiers i still get a good amount of kills with it.

No its not, dont even try to flex. when it was 11.3 it was OP as all get out and slaughtered planes left and right, at 12.0 its a shadow of its former self. Getting kills with it is doable and you can grind with it but its a LOT harder to play now than it used to be, it routinely faces things with a far better weapons kit and now is simply average. The F20 though was always dogwater, its simply a worse F16 and that just isnt enough to really shine especially when every other 12.7 plane especially the F16s is just flat better than you. Again you can get kills and its workable but its far harder than one would expect for a premium plane of its price and BR.

Originally posted by Chad Chungus:

it wasnt technically in BR though... all other 12.0 planes were bumped up to 12.7 as part of "decompression"
the f20 is very similar to the f16, which is also 12.7. if youre having troubles with it, its simply a skill issue. there are so many planes without ARH missiles that face planes that do have ARH missiles. its not fun, but its doable.

fact is, if youre complaining about uptiers at 12.7, you wont have good performance even at 13.7. you simply dont understand the BR

m8 nobody likes forcing to go defensive against fox 3 slingers every match because they have none of their own, perfectly reasonable to expect some complaints from people the fact is that any plane that has Fox3s that faces planes routinely that dont have them (looking at you F14IAF) is extremely powerful and easy to farm kills with.

"m8" i already said it wasnt fun. and, no, its not easy. the majority of the time, people dying to things like the fakour simply dont know how to play the game. go ahead and fly in a straight line at 2km altitude. see what happens.

try slinging ARH at people that actually understand the game. you wont get a single kill

[LMJgutano]

Originally posted by Boii Fan:

Originally posted by LMJgutano:

this plane shoud'nt be at 12.7 like tf am i supposed to do against f-15 and mig 27 70% of the games are uptier and even in undertier you get less weapon and even worse than some orther jets the only good things are the frame and the engine the radar is okay the rest is simply ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ 40 counter-measure ?? if you take fox-1 only 4 missile ?? the rwr isnt even good you cant know whats shooting you wich in uptier is really really important i bought it in sale and i regret it im just sad the f-4s wasnt in sale he gets a way better weaponery so if you have to buy a premium for the usa buy the f-4s

at 11.3 there's planes with 2 rear aspect only missiles, you want them facing the F20 with its like what, at least 6 all aspect and two ARH? like dude.

This plane wouldn't be shocking at 12.0 the f4's as a better kit and more c-m at that br the migs too , tbf the d20 real enemy are irccm missile since he doesn't carry enough c-m to counter 2 he just get rawdogged by everything in top tier and don't bring " if you dislike it you lack skill " yes ok sure if you put a f104g at that br some people would still say that , but the truth is that plane is too weak don't have enough missile turn worse than nearly anything in uptier is slower than anything else and doesn't have near enough counter measure
Sure it's a fun plane to play but at 12.3 or 12.0 br

[BlackWolf9988]

Originally posted by jaxjace:

Originally posted by BlackWolf9988:

F4S is still incredibly strong idk what you are on about. even in full uptiers i still get a good amount of kills with it.

No its not, dont even try to flex. when it was 11.3 it was OP as all get out and slaughtered planes left and right, at 12.0 its a shadow of its former self. Getting kills with it is doable and you can grind with it but its a LOT harder to play now than it used to be, it routinely faces things with a far better weapons kit and now is simply average. The F20 though was always dogwater, its simply a worse F16 and that just isnt enough to really shine especially when every other 12.7 plane especially the F16s is just flat better than you. Again you can get kills and its workable but its far harder than one would expect for a premium plane of its price and BR.

Originally posted by Chad Chungus:

it wasnt technically in BR though... all other 12.0 planes were bumped up to 12.7 as part of "decompression"
the f20 is very similar to the f16, which is also 12.7. if youre having troubles with it, its simply a skill issue. there are so many planes without ARH missiles that face planes that do have ARH missiles. its not fun, but its doable.

fact is, if youre complaining about uptiers at 12.7, you wont have good performance even at 13.7. you simply dont understand the BR

m8 nobody likes forcing to go defensive against fox 3 slingers every match because they have none of their own, perfectly reasonable to expect some complaints from people the fact is that any plane that has Fox3s that faces planes routinely that dont have them (looking at you F14IAF) is extremely powerful and easy to farm kills with.

F4S is easily one of the best premium jet in the game, its just 90% of the players are hot garbage with it because its their first high tier plane and they just focus on bombing bases ignoring the 3 planes chasing them at the same time. these players do it all the way until they reach top tier and then are completely clueless on how to fight Fox 3s and procede to still bomb bases with meta planes such as the F-15E even when spaded.

USA mains seriously dont know how easy they have it over most other nations. even uptiers into 12.7 or 13.0 arent a problem for the F4S because you usually have the incredibly broken iranian f14 (fakours are literally the best BVR Fox 3 in the game due to their insane speed) on your side which gives you good map control at high altitude.

you have no idea how refreshing and easy it is to grind USA after going through the pain of grinding russia air to top tier (i still like the flankers even if they are pretty trash).

out of my head the only premium which beats it would be the mig 21 bison.

[He Who Laughs]

Yeah, the F-20 has no place being at 12.7, I mean, are you kidding!? I know we all call Gaijin out for their terrible imbalance of the game, but this case is what I consider a serious issue. The F-20 is seriously outclassed at 12.7 by almost every aircraft it goes up against, in radar systems and range, missile capacity and capability, flares and chaffs (the chaffs just don't work at all for this aircraft for what gets launched at you), guns etc.

Only thing the F-20 has going for it is it's speed and maneuverability, but what's the point of having all that speed and maneuverability when the missiles you are up against can't be dodged or flared off at this rating, no matter how skilled you are (again, the chaffs are useless on this aircraft, to the point of being broken). The bombs it has available are pretty good, but good luck making it to an enemy base before you either get taken out by an enemy super missile, or beaten to the punch by teammates with aircraft that have a better chaff and flare system (which is every other aircraft at this rating).

Anyone who states that this is a "skill issues" is full of it!