Gaijin doesn't like Israel, Merkava/Raam Segol paper joke tank.

[Venom]

One of the best tanks in the world is a huge joke in this game. Paper light tanks can withstand more than MBT Merkava 3. Destroy me in one shot everything, 10.3 Leopards, even SPAA like Gepard, Leopard will destroy me in a second to the front of the tank with one projectile. The angle of the armor as if it didn't work and it was just a flat salary. Furthermore, every single projectile, even a small projectile, creates abnormal spalling that instantly destroys the entire crew. Even if I get hit on the waist from the inside, i.e. the projectile should fly in the direction outside of the tank, the fuel will miraculously bounce back inside the tank and destroy everything, the entire crew, ammunition, etc. On no other tank have I seen such crazy, unrealistic spalling. A tie that has really good angles shot through everything, but I npr. with a penetration of 500mm and a 120mm cannon, I will not shoot the Leo 123 at a short distance directly into the tower from the front, even if the protection analysis shows that I will shoot it everywhere. Merkava in this game, or Ram Sagol is one big unrealistic joke. Not to mention other facts such as SPAA, which does not have Israel in the top tier until today, even when other countries have been receiving more and more SPAA for a long time, even if they do not need them. Gaijin really doesn't like Israel. I have never seen such a crazy paper tank with crazy spalling that almost always destroys you in one shot in this game.

[Old'En Paso]

and ?

[FallowsDark]

Good, I don't like them either.

[BlackWolf9988]

Muh wunderwaffe super tank that the media promised isnt actually as strong IRL :(

As recent wars have shown many many modern tanks from all sides are very vulnerable because they often share the same weakpoins. Also IRL the only opponent the merkava faces are RPGs, ATGMs and drones so its hard to tell how it would stand in a tank vs tank fight without somebody releasing tons of classified files.

[Resident NATO Freedom Enjoyer]

Not reading all this but my Raam is my first high tier tank I've put a decent bit of time in, and it's hugely survivable, the cannon shreds, and it's mobile enough to not fall behind things. I prefer it over the Abrams I have, and the Leopard I recently unlocked. It's really good.

[Venom]

Origineel geplaatst door BlackWolf9988:

Muh wunderwaffe super tank that the media promised isnt actually as strong IRL :(

As recent wars have shown many many modern tanks from all sides are very vulnerable because they often share the same weakpoins. Also IRL the only opponent the merkava faces are RPGs, ATGMs and drones so its hard to tell how it would stand in a tank vs tank fight without somebody releasing tons of classified files.

Do you think that other tanks do not keep their specifications secret? :) Think Gaijin has access to all military specifications, e.g. American, German machines? :D That this is publicly available information? Like the post above, think that the T90M met in open combat against e.g. Leopard 2A7? :D This is about the comparison factor with other tanks, where the Ram Sagol is a completely ridiculous tank, which has lower resistance and survivability than the stupid SPAA, or a paper tank, which is obviously nonsense. This is about the fact that the smaller armor that is perpendicular will last longer than the RS armor that is thicker and is at an angle. Just as it is spaling, which is literally crazy to create a small projectile from a 30mm autocannon spaling as a projectile from a 150mm cannon. I'm not betting on the fact that the RS doesn't hold up as much as Leo, the T tank, or the Abrams on the same BR, but on the fact that this tank is nothing, even tanks from the BR 9.3 can be shot in one shot, which is completely ridiculous and unrealistic. This is simply a nerf from Gaijin, nothing more. Merkavi were much stronger in the past than today, but today they are mysteriously weak and too much. I literally have the feeling that maybe even a handgun will destroy that tank.

[M0k1]

meanwhile gaijin mostly likes russian bias etc.. its true, BUT most tanks can be one shot at top tier..

[Venom]

Origineel geplaatst door Resident NATO Freedom Enjoyer:

Not reading all this but my Raam is my first high tier tank I've put a decent bit of time in, and it's hugely survivable, the cannon shreds, and it's mobile enough to not fall behind things. I prefer it over the Abrams I have, and the Leopard I recently unlocked. It's really good.

The question is, how much have you played so that you can compare what kind of tank can withstand and what abilities it has on its BR. :D

[Venom]

Origineel geplaatst door M0k1:

meanwhile gaijin mostly likes russian bias etc.. its true, BUT most tanks can be one shot at top tier..

Yes, everyone who has researched at least 5-6 top tier nations in this game, or knows how to compare, knows something about the Russian tree. But I'm not writing about the top tier, Ram Sagol is BR 11.3 and as I wrote, this tank will destroy any BR 10.3 tank in one shot without any problems. At the same time, the thickness of the armor as well as the angles of the armor should clearly be in favor of this tank, but this is not the case, miraculously the armor does not work, while it works much better on lower BR tanks that have worse armor, worse angles.

[Marlowe-33]

i am trying to rank up Israel but it's painful , i get sad when i look at my Merkava 2D now @ 9.7 , i honestly think it was FINE @ 9.3,

it has no other vehicles to put with it in line up , so you gotta use 9.3 tanks that will possibly be facing 10.7 things , i hate these devs sometimes they seem so clueless with the things that they do.

[Chaoslord 87]

Origineel geplaatst door BlackWolf9988:

Muh wunderwaffe super tank that the media promised isnt actually as strong IRL :(

As recent wars have shown many many modern tanks from all sides are very vulnerable because they often share the same weakpoins. Also IRL the only opponent the merkava faces are RPGs, ATGMs and drones so its hard to tell how it would stand in a tank vs tank fight without somebody releasing tons of classified files.

Given the Equipment of their neighbours (which is predominatly older T Series), the Merkava would be likely designed to withstand their Guns at least.

[Tankoslav Tepyatdesyatpyatovich]

One of the best tanks in the world...which isn't in demand anywhere outside Israel/Levant and the specific conditions of the region. Just lol, buy yourself actual good tanks (Leopard 2 or T-80) and be happy.

[BlackWolf9988]

Origineel geplaatst door Venom:

Origineel geplaatst door BlackWolf9988:

Muh wunderwaffe super tank that the media promised isnt actually as strong IRL :(

As recent wars have shown many many modern tanks from all sides are very vulnerable because they often share the same weakpoins. Also IRL the only opponent the merkava faces are RPGs, ATGMs and drones so its hard to tell how it would stand in a tank vs tank fight without somebody releasing tons of classified files.

Do you think that other tanks do not keep their specifications secret? :) Think Gaijin has access to all military specifications, e.g. American, German machines? :D That this is publicly available information? Like the post above, think that the T90M met in open combat against e.g. Leopard 2A7? :D This is about the comparison factor with other tanks, where the Ram Sagol is a completely ridiculous tank, which has lower resistance and survivability than the stupid SPAA, or a paper tank, which is obviously nonsense. This is about the fact that the smaller armor that is perpendicular will last longer than the RS armor that is thicker and is at an angle. Just as it is spaling, which is literally crazy to create a small projectile from a 30mm autocannon spaling as a projectile from a 150mm cannon. I'm not betting on the fact that the RS doesn't hold up as much as Leo, the T tank, or the Abrams on the same BR, but on the fact that this tank is nothing, even tanks from the BR 9.3 can be shot in one shot, which is completely ridiculous and unrealistic. This is simply a nerf from Gaijin, nothing more. Merkavi were much stronger in the past than today, but today they are mysteriously weak and too much. I literally have the feeling that maybe even a handgun will destroy that tank.

I mean we have some data to go on the performance of stuff like t80 and leo 2 from the swedish trials in the 1990s.

You can also see from recent wars that stuff like the abrams tank has a high casualty rate (20 out of 31 were destroyed).

Why do people have this mysterious Believe that tanks are these invulnerable beasts on the battlefield when many many times they were proven wrong over and over again that you just have to hit them once to force the crew to abandon them.

[Venom]

Origineel geplaatst door АГЕНТ КАЛИТКИ:

One of the best tanks in the world...which isn't in demand anywhere outside Israel/Levant and the specific conditions of the region. Just lol, buy yourself actual good tanks (Leopard 2 or T-80) and be happy.

The question is whether Israel offers it for export at all. Another thing, it depends on many different factors such as price, crew training, servicing. You imagine it very simply, tanks are not sold like bread in the store. Do you really think that if someone designed this tank, so much energy, time, etc. that he only created a paper thing that could not withstand anything? :D Do you think Israeli engineers are complete idiots who don't know anything and build a tank like a car for a shop? But come on... Your ideas are a bit childish, inexperienced. And that's the point, as you wrote, the T-80s were only very average tanks in reality, while in the game they are strong and resist even the most modern tanks. :D And I've already played all these tanks, Israel is almost the last nation in this game that I'm researching, that's why I was surprised by the senselessly low resistance. It is primarily the MBT tank of a state like Israel, which has been threatened by its surroundings, in a military state, for its entire history. Do you really believe that such a country will create a paper nonsense as its MBT tank? :D

[Venom]

I mean we have some data to go on the performance of stuff like t80 and leo 2 from the swedish trials in the 1990s.

You can also see from recent wars that stuff like the abrams tank has a high casualty rate (20 out of 31 were destroyed).

Why do people have this mysterious Believe that tanks are these invulnerable beasts on the battlefield when many many times they were proven wrong over and over again that you just have to hit them once to force the crew to abandon them. [/quote]

Where were 21 Abrams destroyed out of 31 in a tank battle? :) I want to know that, please. Because Abrams are famous in tank battles precisely because they have almost no losses, except for their own teamkills. :D And of course every tank is destructible, I wrote about something else, I won't repeat myself.

[Marlowe-33]

I'll say one thing for the Merkava range of tanks they are the best looking tanks in the world i think.