Russian tanks are not OP

[Generalbullet]

They are rigged, I have put some 700+ hours into war thunder at this point. The rules of the game simply do not apply to russian vehicles, I consistently bounce shots off of 100% flat plates a literal 90 degree bounce, I often fire rounds that seem to dissapear not bouncing simply disintegrating into nothing. I can't play well against russian tanks because I have no way to consistently take them out, I could shoot the same spot twice with completely different results. Oh and russian fuel tanks are pretty much just free spaced armour, never ever penned through one EVER.

If you can't aim, drive a Kv-2
If you can't manoevre, drive an i-s2
and if you can't do anything, drive a t-34.

[djandDK]

Originally posted by Gabe Newell:

Originally posted by Generalbullet:

LOL, ok. There is no Russian bias unless Gaijin says so? the fanboy is strong in this one!

... Gaijin CEO (or so i beleive) said there was actually American and German bias, as they make up a huge part of a community. Thats what i heard, also id like you to make your profile public or give me your ign, or screenshot your game and upload it so i can see its actually you, and i wanna see those tier 1 german tanks or tier 1 american M2A2 you are using...

gaben stop trolling the topics why can you never have a serious discussion allways defending your choice of country the russians and your t-10m it's like you're afraid people will figure out the russians are OP.
Well back on topic the CEO didn't say there was a German and American bias, that is what the russian community thinks.... While we think there is a russian bias because the game is made in russia the russians think there is a German and American bias because the Germans and Americans use more money.

[BooBeep]

I really think that there is maybe a rigged feature on russian tanks, because with all the pen the game gives you with the armor of T-34 sloped i measured at about 80mm of armor
i had a M10 Wolverine with the high pen round which gives 150mm and at the angle it had 110 around there, and im pretty sure it should have went through but instead it....... shows it just stopped? I mean..... what... i get kills where i shoot someone in the track. (Not he and no shrapnel) or even a kill when i hit their turret and bounce.... its weird. BUT when i drive a T-34 .... i end up rushing forward against whole enemy and get 13 kills or something unless they have a T-34 . It feels like the russian tanks you if you go against them in something thats not a tiger vs SU 26

[-NODER-_Novastorm_]

There is nothing op!I play with all nations and germany planes and tanks is the nation i have made the best scores especialy at the old 6.7 br with tigers2...the only thing i find really bad is the mix with 6.7 and 7.7 tanks facing eachother, the rest is fine...

[Abinavski]

Originally posted by BooBeep:

I really think that there is maybe a rigged feature on russian tanks, because with all the pen the game gives you with the armor of T-34 sloped i measured at about 80mm of armor
i had a M10 Wolverine with the high pen round which gives 150mm and at the angle it had 110 around there, and im pretty sure it should have went through but instead it....... shows it just stopped? I mean..... what... i get kills where i shoot someone in the track. (Not he and no shrapnel) or even a kill when i hit their turret and bounce.... its weird. BUT when i drive a T-34 .... i end up rushing forward against whole enemy and get 13 kills or something unless they have a T-34 . It feels like the russian tanks :hs: you if you go against them in something thats not a tiger vs SU 26

Theres a random deflection factor, its RGN and its the same with everything, if artillery hits you from 20 metres away and still kills you its just RGN...

[Abinavski]

Originally posted by Jas:

Originally posted by Hötzendorf:

Are you the police here in this forum? Go ahead and report everyone that you disagree with.

Seeing how being a troll on the Steam forum, is enough for mods to perma ban you, yeah.

I like how im a troll for saying i never found Russians to be OP. Every nation has an exception for an OP vehicle, T10M in Russia, its still killable but the gun is too much. The Jagdtiger is a undertiered beast of a tank, the Shermans are quite heavily armored early on with a good gun, making some Russian low penetration tanks needing to flank it. Every nation has OP premiums aswell, theres the T34 100 in the Russian line, Tiger P in the German line, Black Prince in the bitish line, and calliope with the Americans.

[Rimming Enjoyer]

Didn't call you a troll, just stated what happens to them.

Not sure I would call the Jagdtigers that beast. Hell, I have more issues taking down a T95, than a Jagdtiger.

[Abinavski]

Originally posted by Jas:

Didn't call you a troll, just stated what happens to them.

Not sure I would call the Jagdtigers that beast. Hell, I have more issues taking down a T95, than a Jagdtiger.

Im not sure thats even possible just shoot the commanders and laoders hatch and its DEAD. Jagdtiger, lower glaics, like 5 shots will do before you kill every crew member.

[Rimming Enjoyer]

Originally posted by Gabe Newell:

Originally posted by Jas:

Didn't call you a troll, just stated what happens to them.

Not sure I would call the Jagdtigers that beast. Hell, I have more issues taking down a T95, than a Jagdtiger.

Im not sure thats even possible just shoot the commanders and laoders hatch and its DEAD. Jagdtiger, lower glaics, like 5 shots will do before you kill every crew member.

I've KO'd Jagdtigers in the lower plating several times with my Tiger 2 10,5. And even I don't get a KO, you 99% set him on fire.

[Abinavski]

Originally posted by Jas:

Originally posted by Gabe Newell:

Im not sure thats even possible just shoot the commanders and laoders hatch and its DEAD. Jagdtiger, lower glaics, like 5 shots will do before you kill every crew member.

I've KO'd Jagdtigers in the lower plating several times with my Tiger 2 10,5. And even I don't get a KO, you 99% set him on fire.

Tiger 2 10.5... ha... and you claim theres BIAS, go try the same with the T54's and APHE shells, theyre all 100mm, and the tiger 2 has a 105mm. You can see it doesnt kill it. Hell even the IS2/3/4 has issues aswell.

[Bacon Cheeseburger Apocalypse]

Originally posted by Generalbullet:

Originally posted by Gabe Newell:

If you are bad at the game, claim Russian bias.

I'm not claiming anything, I am telling. It is not a debate, the only debate here is wether or not Gaijin will ever do anything about it. I have played alot of games for many years, to tell me Russians aren't OP is a laughable insult, If i use my t34's I consistently go on double digit kill streaks, something far more rare with every other nation.

No you are claiming it because you stated how you can't kill Russian tanks. The only thing that's obvious is that you don't know how to play against them which is usually 99 percent of the time the problem when people come on here to complain about "Russian bias" or for that matter Germany, British, or even American bias.........can't remember seeing a Japanse bias thread but I'm sure it exists.

The reality is Russian tanks have plenty of weak spots you just have to learn to exploit them. For example most have terrible gun depression. Tanks like the Kv-2 while having that huge cannon are slow, have terrible turret traverse, slow reload time (even with a high reload skill) and have a massive weak armored turret. Even the T-34 that people complain that they can't kill has a lot of weak spots such as the turrets "cheeks" on either side of the gun. Also if you shoot most Russian tanks in the side between the first and second wheel where they usually have a larger space between them you can almost always 1 shot kill them if you hit there, same with the lower glacius.

[Rimming Enjoyer]

Originally posted by Gabe Newell:

Originally posted by Jas:

I've KO'd Jagdtigers in the lower plating several times with my Tiger 2 10,5. And even I don't get a KO, you 99% set him on fire.

Tiger 2 10.5... ha... and you claim theres BIAS, go try the same with the T54's and APHE shells, theyre all 100mm, and the tiger 2 has a 105mm. You can see it doesnt kill it. Hell even the IS2/3/4 has issues aswell.

That argument makes no sense. You're now comparing the Medium tanks with the German heavy tanks.

Not only that, the 51 version comes with the HEAT. 49' comes with APDS. Both ammo's are completely fine with destroying Jagdtigers.

[Fatlip]

Originally posted by Gabe Newell:

Originally posted by Jas:

I've KO'd Jagdtigers in the lower plating several times with my Tiger 2 10,5. And even I don't get a KO, you 99% set him on fire.

Tiger 2 10.5... ha... and you claim theres BIAS, go try the same with the T54's and APHE shells, theyre all 100mm, and the tiger 2 has a 105mm. You can see it doesnt kill it. Hell even the IS2/3/4 has issues aswell.

Many seem to think that russian tanks are point and shoot one hit wonder tanks. The very long reload and low penetration rounds of russian tanks say otherwise.

[Rimming Enjoyer]

Originally posted by Hötzendorf:

Originally posted by Gabe Newell:

Tiger 2 10.5... ha... and you claim theres BIAS, go try the same with the T54's and APHE shells, theyre all 100mm, and the tiger 2 has a 105mm. You can see it doesnt kill it. Hell even the IS2/3/4 has issues aswell.

The very long reload

Hmm, I've got a maxed out crew, and I still have 16 second reload on my 10,5.

[Abinavski]

Originally posted by Spent Casing:

Originally posted by Generalbullet:

I'm not claiming anything, I am telling. It is not a debate, the only debate here is wether or not Gaijin will ever do anything about it. I have played alot of games for many years, to tell me Russians aren't OP is a laughable insult, If i use my t34's I consistently go on double digit kill streaks, something far more rare with every other nation.

No you are claiming it because you stated how you can't kill Russian tanks. The only thing that's obvious is that you don't know how to play against them which is usually 99 percent of the time the problem when people come on here to complain about "Russian bias" or for that matter Germany, British, or even American bias.........can't remember seeing a Japanse bias thread but I'm sure it exists.

The reality is Russian tanks have plenty of weak spots you just have to learn to exploit them. For example most have terrible gun depression. Tanks like the Kv-2 while having that huge cannon are slow, have terrible turret traverse, slow reload time (even with a high reload skill) and have a massive weak armored turret. Even the T-34 that people complain that they can't kill has a lot of weak spots such as the turrets "cheeks" on either side of the gun. Also if you shoot most Russian tanks in the side between the first and second wheel where they usually have a larger space between them you can almost always 1 shot kill them if you hit there, same with the lower glacius.

Thats what i always say, the issue is, other nations get MUCH better cannons early on, meaning they need to aim less and just rely on luck. Meanwhile Russians start off with really bad guns and get used to aiming. Thats why later on everyone says Russian bias because theyre used to aiming and the others arent.

[Fatlip]

Originally posted by Jas:

Originally posted by Hötzendorf:

The very long reload

Hmm, I've got a maxed out crew, and I still have 16 second reload on my 10,5.

Hmm, IS-2/IS-3/IS-4 all have base reload speed of 27 sec.