New BR changes.... *sigh*

[florble mcfumperdink]

https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?%2Ftopic%2F524356-planned-battle-rating-changes-may-2021%2F

Just look at the MiG 21 PFM, MiG 21 F-13, and Mitsubish T-2....

'nuff said...

[neldot]

引用自 Leonov：

引用自 neldot：

Wow, in two patches they have just destroyed the playability of the Re.2001 CN, first doubling its repair costs, and then putting it @BR 3.7. How can a 550 km/h plane, with a very fragile engine, just because it has a decent turn rate, face planes that are 150 km/h faster and have a 30% better climb rate is a mistery. It will be slaughtered.

It is Arcade I think. RB and SB is unaffected, but it did get hit hard by the snail's nerf bat.

Yes, it's in arcade, now we have a plane that it's 2.7 in SB, 3.0 in RB and 3.7 in arcade. This just proves how the Snail can't balance planes at all with the statistics, especially in arcade, and especially the ones that have a good turnrate and firepower, despite lacking performances in all the other departments.

引用自 Leonov：

Other opinions;
SB bomber going down a little, has me going meh.

CW-21 to 2.3 is a good step forward, but I think 2.7 with its current FM might be warranted still.

Those jets moving down to 9.3 though. Holy compression Batman! Why not put them facing reserves!

Yes, I agree, the CW-21 probably needed this change and even more. And I agree also on the jets (even if I don't play them, I prefer props).

[NapoleonBornToParty]

mig 19 at 9.7 but mig 21 at 9.3
the heck?

[CH13F]

only good thing imo is all missile spaas from 9.0-9.3 to 10.0-10.3 except japanese type93 9.7 should be 10 too.
anyway, now stock chopper grind/planes without flares re bearable in gRB.

[VasteV]

MiG-21s at 9.3, 0.3 BR above a MiG-17.
Excuse my language, but what the ♥♥♥♥ are those wankers doing?

[VasteV]

引用自 FireFromBehind：

引用自 VasteV：

MiG-21s at 9.3, 0.3 BR above a MiG-17.
Excuse my language, but what the ♥♥♥♥ are those wankers doing?

PFM needs to go up, but I get the F-13. It's absolute garbage and the A-E early is going to 8.7 which is a mayor problem. Compression is real.

F-13 does have horrendous weaponry which also comes in limited amounts, but its flight characteristics are good enough for it to be a 9.7. It's better that one plane suffers rather than the entire BR 8.3 to 9.3 range.
A-4E being the same BR as B is also a terrible joke, that thing is an UPGRADE in every way, why does it have the same BR?
Oh, and F3H, a barely super-sonic with 4xAIM9Bs, no RWR or countermeassures still faces 10.7, nice.

[VasteV]

引用自 FireFromBehind：

引用自 VasteV：

F-13 does have horrendous weaponry which also comes in limited amounts, but its flight characteristics are good enough for it to be a 9.7. It's better that one plane suffers rather than the entire BR 8.3 to 9.3 range.
A-4E being the same BR as B is also a terrible joke, that thing is an UPGRADE in every way, why does it have the same BR?
Oh, and F3H, a barely super-sonic with 4xAIM9Bs, no RWR or countermeassures still faces 10.7, nice.

F-13 is like the Starfighter now, good performance but can't do ♥♥♥♥ becuse weaponry is awful. I still think 9.3 is good for it but the compression is real.

Except a person with half a brain cell will use it like a 104 at 9.0. Take full fuel load and just run for 25 minutes until the match ends. It'll be abused by half-competent players to no end.

[Futuristic Hexagon]

引用自 neldot：

引用自 Leonov：

It is Arcade I think. RB and SB is unaffected, but it did get hit hard by the snail's nerf bat.

Yes, it's in arcade, now we have a plane that it's 2.7 in SB, 3.0 in RB and 3.7 in arcade. This just proves how the Snail can't balance planes at all with the statistics, especially in arcade, and especially the ones that have a good turnrate and firepower, despite lacking performances in all the other departments.

引用自 Leonov：

Other opinions;
SB bomber going down a little, has me going meh.

CW-21 to 2.3 is a good step forward, but I think 2.7 with its current FM might be warranted still.

Those jets moving down to 9.3 though. Holy compression Batman! Why not put them facing reserves!

Yes, I agree, the CW-21 probably needed this change and even more. And I agree also on the jets (even if I don't play them, I prefer props).

I haven't played arcade in a while, though 3.7 is quite excessive as it is.

Plane is good but isn't that good. I feel it likely gets picked up more by experienced players who could get a few reliable kills with those MG151/20s. This causes a skew in the data to support their decision to bump up battle rankings and repair costs. We see the opposite issue with the more popular factions (DE and US in particular) where a plane that is pretty strong (stronger than this I would say), gets laughably low BRs and T1 style repair costs, as those get picked up by less experienced players who don't (and from what I've seen around, not willing to) understand their vehicle, or are zurg rushing down the line to jets.

[CH13F]

引用自 Colonel Jason：

Chieftain Mk.5 8.7,yeah.RIP my 8.3 British loadout,good job gayjin.While Leo2PL gets down to 10.3,because that tank is not good enough.

what you say is arcade brs i believe.idk but leo2pl increased to 10.7 in rb it was 10.3. and chieftain mk3 and 5 both 8.3 atm. leo2a5 increased to 10.7 aswell.

[Colonel Jason]

引用自 CH13F：

引用自 Colonel Jason：

Chieftain Mk.5 8.7,yeah.RIP my 8.3 British loadout,good job gayjin.While Leo2PL gets down to 10.3,because that tank is not good enough.

what you say is arcade brs i believe.idk but leo2pl increased to 10.7 in rb it was 10.3. and chieftain mk3 and 5 both 8.3 atm. leo2a5 increased to 10.7 aswell.

Both vehicles I mentioned got their BR adjustment for RB,not for AB.

[CH13F]

引用自 Colonel Jason：

引用自 CH13F：

what you say is arcade brs i believe.idk but leo2pl increased to 10.7 in rb it was 10.3. and chieftain mk3 and 5 both 8.3 atm. leo2a5 increased to 10.7 aswell.

Both vehicles I mentioned got their BR adjustment for RB,not for AB.

this s weird coz i dont see those values. i see what i ve wrote. interesting.

[kamikazi21358]

hey look, all the German vehicles mentioned are going down. what a shocker!

[kamikazi21358]

引用自 VasteV：

MiG-21s at 9.3, 0.3 BR above a MiG-17.
Excuse my language, but what the ♥♥♥♥ are those wankers doing?

BR compression. They’re doing BR compression.

[Mac]

引用自 neldot：

Wow, in two patches they have just destroyed the playability of the Re.2001 CN, first doubling its repair costs, and then putting it @BR 3.7. How can a 550 km/h plane, with a very fragile engine, just because it has a decent turn rate, face planes that are 150 km/h faster and have a 30% better climb rate is a mistery. It will be slaughtered.

For whatever reason Gaijin really wants us to all play US / GE / USSR. It's a mystery to me why they keep nerfing vehicles on the smaller nations that in my opinion did not deserve a nerf.

Re.2001 CN at 3.7? Don't make me laugh. If I look at my USSR 3.0 lineup for example then that already feels arguably better than my current 3.3 / 3.7 Italian lineup. And now their plan is to uptier one of the few decent Italian planes at that BR even more? Now it is closer to the 4.0 BR and yeah let me check my GE or USSR 4.0 BR planes and oh boy I am supposed to fight those beasts in this mediocre Italian plane at 3.7 BR?

Bye Italian Air Tree you were fun to play while you lasted. Hello 3.0 and 4.0 GE / USSR planes, I will be playing you in the future instead :P

[Ouroboros]

As always, this is full of terrible changes, but I honestly don't think it's as terrible as the last set. That's not saying much though.

Why the hell is the Chieftain Mk.5 going to 8.7? I played, or tried to play, these things at 8.7 in AB where they both were at 8.7 and I've been trying to get them moved down to 8.3 or maybe even 8.0 forever. They are totally and completely outclassed at 8.7, even by some 8.3's, which have APFSDS that has better penetration than the Chieftain's APDS! They're a complete joke, depression on tracks.

[Doctor Eggman]

Gaijin plays their own game. This is proof! I love all these changes, hell yeah!