New BR changes.... *sigh*

[florble mcfumperdink]

https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?%2Ftopic%2F524356-planned-battle-rating-changes-may-2021%2F

Just look at the MiG 21 PFM, MiG 21 F-13, and Mitsubish T-2....

'nuff said...

[neldot]

Wow, in two patches they have just destroyed the playability of the Re.2001 CN, first doubling its repair costs, and then putting it @BR 3.7. How can a 550 km/h plane, with a very fragile engine, just because it has a decent turn rate, face planes that are 150 km/h faster and have a 30% better climb rate is a mistery. It will be slaughtered.

[76561198315424152]

Yeah... quick look (at the air stuff) was just yeah u still don't play the game obv... no surprise the wtf-smiley is leading.

[76561198315424152]

Go to the link here to the wt forum & see the reasoning behind the br adjustments.. https://steamcommunity.com/app/236390/discussions/0/4523281307942659556/

Incredible



But i mean... it's alright up to 6.7-8.0 or so depending on nation & mode, excluding some planes.. so they'll figure something good out on the high brs too i suppose, in 2-5 years.

[shadain597]

Oh yeah, those jets definitely should be at the same BR as my F-5 Shenyang (afterburner equipped MiG-17). I get that they don't really deserve to be in toptier, but what the hell--just decompress this garbage.

[florble mcfumperdink]

Originally posted by shadain597:

Oh yeah, those jets definitely should be at the same BR as my F-5 Shenyang (afterburner equipped MiG-17). I get that they don't really deserve to be in toptier, but what the hell--just decompress this garbage.

I have feeling they are being moved down because 10.7 is about to see some real scary ♥♥♥♥ get added, which just makes the whole situation worse.

Honestly they should remove battle ratings and give each aircraft a possible combatant list so unfair up-tiers and ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ like that don't happen.

[Col. Cornbread]

Chieftain Mk5 8.3-8.7

"The vehicle that was getting clapped hard by every dart tosser at 8.7 was moved down to 8.3"
"We're moving a vehicle that did terrible at 8.7 back up to 8.7"

[76561198315424152]

(Air) Should be 12.7 or so by now to grant more space. Maybe 13.0 or with some br caps without or with lower up/down tier possibilities.

They can fill in the performance gaps with more vehicles later, higher br spread is more important to not ruin vehicles & brs.



Lower rp reqs to fix population issue on top tier with a higher br range. & the too steep research wall at rank v..

(Max 125k on the last tier & vehicles is good & still grindy. Id change to this level immediately)


I dont have a lot of jets but these are some like many more around 7.3-9.0 that needs space from aam combat..

The sabres at 8.0 up to 9.3 shouldnt go against mig21s for example, what theyre doing is equivalent to putting all old jets up to 9.0 at 6.7-7.0 where they would outclass 6.0. "Because having too many brs cant be done" & teams in different parts of development dont communicate.

Further spacing is needed for the planes that does have aam too.

The jpn sabre with aam, should be 8.0 like the jpn jet lineup if aam is not researched or equipped, & bumped up to 8.7 or 9.3 with the other nations aam sabres if equipped imo.

Wait wasnt it like that in the beginning of early jets? That they were flying with todays ~6.0 planes?

[shadain597]

Originally posted by florble mcfumperdink:

Originally posted by shadain597:

Oh yeah, those jets definitely should be at the same BR as my F-5 Shenyang (afterburner equipped MiG-17). I get that they don't really deserve to be in toptier, but what the hell--just decompress this garbage.

I have feeling they are being moved down because 10.7 is about to see some real scary ♥♥♥♥ get added, which just makes the whole situation worse.

Honestly they should remove battle ratings and give each aircraft a possible combatant list so unfair up-tiers and ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ like that don't happen.

I mean, that's effectively what BR is anyways, they just can't be bothered to playtest anything or figure out how to count to 11. (though, obviously, counting to 12, 13, 14, etc. would be even better)

[Shard]

ZSU-57-2 from 7.3 to 7.0

Are they gonna keep doing this until even the worst noob can clap entire teams in it? It was doing just fine against MBT's. Why.

Object 906 from 8.0 to 7.7

I don't see why. It has an amazing autoloader with great ammo and is very fast. It was doing great at 8.0 for me.

Chieftain Mk.5 from 8.3 to 8.7

So we're back to saying that a couple HP warrant a higher BR?

M10 from 3.7 to 3.3, Marder III from 2.3 to 2.0

This makes no sense.

Sd.Kfz.234/4 from 3.7 to 4.0

OK, fine, everything is forgiven. How long did this one take?

[Col. Cornbread]

Originally posted by Shard:

Chieftain Mk.5 from 8.3 to 8.7

So we're back to saying that a couple HP warrant a higher BR?

I'm hoping they give it a Dart so there is a reason for it to be 8.7... but its gaijin so probably a no.

[Kamahl1234]

The T-2 is a reasonable change, it doesn't have great missiles for 10.0 and got a couple other nerfs, so it should very much go down.

[florble mcfumperdink]

Originally posted by Kamahl1234:

The T-2 is a reasonable change, it doesn't have great missiles for 10.0 and got a couple other nerfs, so it should very much go down.

And be back in the same situation it caused when it was added by making an entire BR bracket unplayable due to its blatantly superior armament and performance? No offence man but moving it down is not the solution, expanding air to like BR 13.0 is.

[76561198315424152]

Originally posted by Kamahl1234:

The T-2 is a reasonable change, it doesn't have great missiles for 10.0 and got a couple other nerfs, so it should very much go down.

T-2 is the only plane i got on rank vi (stock) i think it's too fast for 10.0, should be 10.7-11.0 or so to get away from 9.0. Doesnt fit there but thats cause other planes should be upped too.
Similar performing planes & weapons vs other of ariund the same caliber, the jump in technology with aam and speed is too imposing on old 7.7-9.0 stuff

[Futuristic Hexagon]

Originally posted by neldot:

Wow, in two patches they have just destroyed the playability of the Re.2001 CN, first doubling its repair costs, and then putting it @BR 3.7. How can a 550 km/h plane, with a very fragile engine, just because it has a decent turn rate, face planes that are 150 km/h faster and have a 30% better climb rate is a mistery. It will be slaughtered.

It is Arcade I think. RB and SB is unaffected, but it did get hit hard by the snail's nerf bat.

Other opinions;
SB bomber going down a little, has me going meh.

CW-21 to 2.3 is a good step forward, but I think 2.7 with its current FM might be warranted still.

Those jets moving down to 9.3 though. Holy compression Batman! Why not put them facing reserves!

[uɐɐılʎʇs]

Originally posted by Shard:

M10 from 3.7 to 3.3.

This makes no sense.

It can pretty much 1 shot anything it faces, but since people just rush around and react to a threat, instead of being prepared they suck in the M10. Remember, a lot of people play every tank the exact same way. As a brawler. Low turret traverse makes it harder for those types to do well in it. Balanced by player use, not vehicle capability.

Originally posted by Leonov:

Those jets moving down to 9.3 though. Holy compression Batman! Why not put them facing reserves!

Their main focus is the higher tiers, and since they refuse to do any sort of BR decompression, they just move the problem down. Which just causes vehicles that now have to face it to do worse and then they have to be moved down etc.